Re: [digitalradio] Re: A challenge to RTTY operators!

2007-11-16 Thread Jose A. Amador
Rick wrote: > I have to concur with Jose on this. I was a very active HF and VHF > digital ham starting around 1981 with a homebrew XR2206/XR2211 TU that > was from QST magazine and called "The State of the Art TU." It most > assuredly was not, but being naive and new to RTTY found it to be a v

Re: [digitalradio] Re: digital voice within 100 Hz bandwidth

2007-11-16 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
One thing to try might be an encoding that takes more time to send than the audio it encodes. If blank space compression is used, the effect can be reduced. But there is nothing that says the encoding must be able to transmit voice in 100% of real time to be interesting or useful. 73, Leigh/W

[digitalradio] Re: digital voice within 100 Hz bandwidth

2007-11-16 Thread cesco12342000
I did send you a PM.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: digital voice within 100 Hz bandwidth

2007-11-16 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Cesco, RR for all > At each 1/T it was necessary to send NxL elements of >information, which gives the final rate. This corresponds to your calculation: >23 * 3 bit = 69 bit per 40ms. 69*25=1725 bps. More than enough for the >1400bps codec. I can help you with this codec if needed. Yes 1725 bps

[digitalradio] Re: digital voice within 100 Hz bandwidth

2007-11-16 Thread n6ief
My problem is that if I can't find someone to help me get started, the project will die with my tow papers. Miken6ief

[digitalradio] Re: digital voice within 100 Hz bandwidth

2007-11-16 Thread cesco12342000
> Very low bitrate algorithms exist now. There are a few that operate from > 200 bps to 600 bps. The Navy has software called IVOX that gets in this > range. Can you somehow lay hands on such a 200 to 600 bps codec? Im VERY intrested. The IVOX thing is based on 2400 bps lpc. With silence detec

Re: [digitalradio] Re: digital voice within 100 Hz bandwidth

2007-11-16 Thread W2XJ
Yes it is Steinar Aanesland wrote: > Is this the IVOX system:? > > http://downloads.pf.itd.nrl.navy.mil/ivox/ > > LA5VNA Steinar > > > > > W2XJ skrev: > >> >>Very low bitrate algorithms exist now. There are a few that operate from >>200 bps to 600 bps. The Navy has software called IVOX th

[digitalradio] Re: digital voice within 100 Hz bandwidth

2007-11-16 Thread cesco12342000
Hi Patrick, > At each 1/T it was necessary to send NxL elements of >information, which gives the final rate. Im not shure i understand your method 100%. My own tests found that you can transfer comprehensible, but unvoiced speech with 10 carriers. But i did not restrict number of levels. For

Re: [digitalradio] Re: digital voice within 100 Hz bandwidth

2007-11-16 Thread Steinar Aanesland
Is this the IVOX system:? http://downloads.pf.itd.nrl.navy.mil/ivox/ LA5VNA Steinar W2XJ skrev: > > > Very low bitrate algorithms exist now. There are a few that operate from > 200 bps to 600 bps. The Navy has software called IVOX that gets in this > range. So you could transmit 16 QAM and hi

Re: [digitalradio] Re: digital voice within 100 Hz bandwidth

2007-11-16 Thread W2XJ
Very low bitrate algorithms exist now. There are a few that operate from 200 bps to 600 bps. The Navy has software called IVOX that gets in this range. So you could transmit 16 QAM and hit the 100 HZ goal. The bigger problem would be getting it to survive propagation and survive receiver filte

Re: [digitalradio] Proposed Digital Operating Questions to FCC

2007-11-16 Thread Rick
I have waited a couple of days, but since few constructive comments other than Andy, will try and take this into consideration to form the best approach that I can come up with. Separate groups to discuss sub issues are not generally successful and are developed primarily to keep the "trouble m

Re: [digitalradio] Re: A challenge to RTTY operators!

2007-11-16 Thread Robert Chudek
Brian, A minor correction to the statement "WF1B supported quite a few TU types but no sound cards." RTTY by WF1B supported the RITTY program by Brian, K6STI. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/235 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN - Original Message - From: Brian A To: digitalradio@ya

[digitalradio] Re: NIC issue

2007-11-16 Thread grant390
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Jose A. Amador" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Misko, > > Most likely the module for the old NIC is no longer adequate for the new > NIC. Look for the proper module and install it. > > Jose, CO2JA > > Miroslav Skoric (YT7MPB) wrote: > > > Recently I c

Re: [digitalradio] Re: digital voice within 100 Hz bandwidth

2007-11-16 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello Cesco, For information, I have tried to see if it was possible to transmit a speech through a 500 Hz channel using a digital transmission. I have decomposed the audio spectrum (but not through a FFT, but by intercorrelation to choose the carriers I wanted) in several carriers and associat

[digitalradio] Re: A challenge to RTTY operators!

2007-11-16 Thread Brian A
Rick, I used a CP-1 TU up to the day the WF1B RTTY contest program became unsupported. WF1B supported quite a few TU types but no sound cards. That was around 1996 or 7. Here's a tidbit of info. Score required to win 1997 USA CQ WW RTTY single op assisted in 1997 = 553k points. I still have the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: A challenge to RTTY operators!

2007-11-16 Thread Rick
I have to concur with Jose on this. I was a very active HF and VHF digital ham starting around 1981 with a homebrew XR2206/XR2211 TU that was from QST magazine and called "The State of the Art TU." It most assuredly was not, but being naive and new to RTTY found it to be a very poor performer.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Proposed Digital Operating Questions to FCC

2007-11-16 Thread Rick
Howard is looking at this correctly and fairly. It is very unfortunate that instead of making suggestions to improve the questions to the FCC, Bonnie, KQ6XA, has again used personal attack, and does so only with absolutely no explanation of what she is criticizing. She did this recently on QRZ

[digitalradio] Re: digital voice within 100 Hz bandwidth

2007-11-16 Thread cesco12342000
I would be plased to have a complete list of the phonemes and corresponding audio files from different speakers. I fear 44 phonemes will not be enough to do a context-free analisis. The data rate will be closer to 200pbs i think, since you will have to transfer a magnitude component along with