Re: [digitalradio] Digital voice on HF

2006-01-30 Thread Dr. Howard S. White
White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6  ex-AE6SM  KY6LAWebsite: www.ky6la.com "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished""Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911" - Original Message - From: kd4e To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2

Re: [digitalradio] Digital voice on HF

2006-01-30 Thread kd4e
This goes to part of my question and it is exciting to envision "smart filters". Of course a cell phone is only handling same modes absent many of the huge variables present on HF Ham bands so the challenge is considerably more complex. I am certain that Hams and associated business interests are

Re: [digitalradio] Digital voice on HF

2006-01-30 Thread Dr. Howard S. White
Title: RE: [digitalradio] Digital voice on HF Thanks for finally focusing on what the new rules are all about... experimentation and advancing the Art of Amateur Radio. and not the anti-Winlink, anti-ARQ, Anti-Internet, Anti-anything new or different Rhetoric.   Which is why I want

Re: [digitalradio] Digital voice on HF

2006-01-30 Thread kd4e
How do we prevent the inevitable conflict between the wider and continuous-peak DV modes and other modes on the bands? Do we not need to segment digital and analog modes? Also, is it possible to effectively filter out a known digital mode? e.g. If I know that the signal QRMing an emergency net i

RE: [digitalradio] Digital voice on HF

2006-01-30 Thread DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA
Title: RE: [digitalradio] Digital voice on HF I certainly would encourage digital voice (DV)...and I don't feel that U.S. hams have anything to worry about using DV in the current voice bands. While it is true that DV below the individual DV mode threshold causes the signal to &quo

Re: [digitalradio] Digital voice on HF

2006-01-28 Thread Arthur J. Lekstutis
There are voice encoding schemes that require much less. I've experimented with this codec (for example), and found it quite good even at 3k bits per second: http://www.hawksoft.com/hawkvoice/ It's not lossless mind you, but quite intelegible and almost natural sounding. Artie Lekstutis KC

Re: [digitalradio] Digital voice on HF

2006-01-28 Thread KV9U
Tim's points are accurate when it comes to the current practical use of digital voice on HF. I would mention that when the ARRL did a product review on the new ICOM digital HT's, they were pretty honest with comments on the robotic audio and if I recall from a later review, the fact that the au

Re: [digitalradio] Digital voice on HF

2006-01-28 Thread Tim Gorman
or the digital > voice which would cause that. These units worked equally well on simplex > when needed . This is a Motorola system. > > I wonder how readily this technology would adapt to HF? Is there any > software out there to experiment with? ----- Original Message - > Fr

Re: [digitalradio] Digital voice on HF

2006-01-28 Thread John Bradley
ssage - From: kd4e To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Digital voice on HF Could it be that we need to look at a compressionprotocol that would allow full-range audio to travelvia noise-resistent di

Re: [digitalradio] Digital voice on HF

2006-01-28 Thread J. Lance Cotton
KV9U wrote: > U.S. is the ability to send "data" on a voice channel. It is sort of > legal by some interpretations, but not really clearly legal. The idea > that a digital picture (image) is OK to send on a voice channel, but > other data are not is so absurd as to defy logic. Sometimes you migh

Re: [digitalradio] Digital voice on HF

2006-01-28 Thread KV9U
Doc, They already have a compression protocol. The problem with voice is that it is quite a large amount of data and requires a moderate bandwidth to get that data through. SSB is pretty good from a spectrum conserving point of view. We can not contravene the laws of physics, but we can at lea

Re: [digitalradio] Digital voice on HF

2006-01-28 Thread kd4e
Could it be that we need to look at a compression protocol that would allow full-range audio to travel via noise-resistent digital modulation without hogging lots of spectrum? From a non-engineer's perspective it sure would seem that such is possible. There is the much-delayed digital AM-BC tech

[digitalradio] Digital voice on HF

2006-01-28 Thread KV9U
There are some who have experimented with the expensive adapters, and some who have tried the voice mode of WinDRM. I am not sure how cool this stuff is at this time. I have not had any luck finding much activity, nor others who would be willing to try it out. When I have asked about it, some h