John,
As a fellow OT, it surprises me that you are not familiar with the Six
Meter International Radio Klub that promotes 6 meter operation. Also
there is SWOT (Side Winders on Two) which is a comparable organization
that promotes 2 meter operation. They have been around for decades.
73,
They were not asked THAT'S THE POINT . also
how many members of this commity are long time 6 meter
users? How many are active on 6 meters?
If newer modes like digital are to catch on you cannot
call others LEGACY modes and work around them to
seze frequencys and thats EXACTLY what was
YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHO SMIRK IS ?
And YOU made the call on what part of the band we got
to keep?
SIX METER INTERNATIONAL RADIO KLUB one of the oldest
6 meter groups with 8000 members My membership goes
back to 1974 . I have been active in 6 since
1966 and have cards from
: [digitalradio] Updates on effect of FCC RO
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:49:19 -0700 (PDT)
YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHO SMIRK IS ?
And YOU made the call on what part of the band we got
to keep?
SIX METER INTERNATIONAL RADIO KLUB one of the oldest
6 meter groups with 8000 members My
from
the cw guys...
You can't have it both ways...
Larry ve3fxq
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Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Updates on effect of FCC RO
Bruce,
Yes, the FCC has now taken away many
Bruce,
It is NOT the ARRL that made this decision. It was the FCC! I don't
understand why a number of people, including yourself, have been saying
such things.
The government decision was not based upon ARRL's proposal, but took
into consideration the many other comments and came up with a
Larry,
I am not sure if you can blame anyone. Many commenters wanted to see
the voice bands greatly expanded, some wanted the entire band(s) to be
phone or any mode or bandwidth. The FCC compromised on what they
politically thought was the right decision although many of us don't
necessarily
I would be very surprised if the ARRL leadership was not appalled at the
changes to 80 meters since it wreaks havoc with the Section CW nets
which are a significant portion of the ARRL Field Organization. Consider
that the Section nets, voice and CW here in my Section and sometimes
even
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To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Updates on effect of FCC RO
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:11:58 +0800
I would be very surprised if the ARRL leadership was not appalled at the
changes to 80 meters since it wreaks havoc with the Section CW nets
which
The FCC RO makes some big changes on HF. It limits the bandwidth of data
transmission to 500 Hz below 30 MHz.. It also states that data and image
transmission were never authorized in the same HF frequency segments so
data
in the phone/image segments seems to be prohibited. Considerable
I was mostly commenting on the overall proposal not
just the badly thought part on 80 meters This proposal
included including the ASININE 6 and 2 meter ones and
THEY ARE ARRL. The ARRL needs to get with it's
membership AND THE USERS OF THESE BANDS BE IT 80 or 2
meters.
It is true that many others
The FCC RO makes some big changes on HF. It limits the bandwidth of data
transmission to 500 Hz below 30 MHz.. It also states that data and image
transmission were never authorized in the same HF frequency segments so data
in the phone/image segments seems to be prohibited. Considerable spectrum
on effect of FCC RO
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 04:03:53 -0700 (PDT)
OK I'm missing something did they OUTLAW CW or just
EXTEND phone? CW IS STILL LEAGAL just it has to shair
some of the band. ALSO I'm still looking to find who
was contacted in the 6 meter users groups about the
proposals involving 6 Meters
Perhaps the lesson might be that unless we come to the meeting and speak
up, our voices will not be heard. Actually, special interest groups such
as SMIRK, SWOT, etc., should position themselves as advocates for their
members point of view. I assume that they did this? If not, it would be
OK I'm missing something did they OUTLAW CW or just
EXTEND phone? CW IS STILL LEAGAL just it has to shair
some of the band. ALSO I'm still looking to find who
was contacted in the 6 meter users groups about the
proposals involving 6 Meters and wide band digital
. So far I've found no 6 meter
Bruce,
Yes, the FCC has now taken away many kilohertz of CW/Data/RTTY
priveleges from Advanced and General Class hams. The most egregious
issue is the loss of the NTS CW frequencies that have been around nearly
forever in ham radio time.
It is simply not possible to run CW traffic nets with
After some off the list discussion, I retract the statement
below. For an emission to be J2B it must be narrowband direct
printing telegraphy. Narrowband is the key word and has been defined
for us as 500Hz. The remaining question is did the FCC intend to
include J2D in the list of 500Hz
OK at least someone answered this I AGREE ( and i'm
not a code guy ) that this dosn't look well thought
out and that any changes in the phone bands should
have been discussed with ALL INVOLVED.
BUT TRUE TO THE ARRL's new way of doing things they
gave away the CW bands with little thought as to
Rick,
The text in the RO indicates that the 500Hz maximum occupied
bandwidth only applies to the new emissions designators added to the
definition of data. and the affected bands are below 30 MHz. This
is what I asked for in my petition. However, the FCC did put J2D in
the list of 500Hz
OK, Mark, then it does look like we are not going to be able to use the
wider modes in the CW/RTTY/Data area. I am not sure what wide modes you
are referring to that are not sent with J2D as all of the ones I can
think of are done with injecting tones into an SSB transmitter.
I did find the
Rick,
All of the modes that claim to be J2D are really J2B when sending
text. When sending images they would be J2C and fall under the 500
Hz maximum occupied bandwidth limit.
73,
Mark N5RFX
OK, Mark, then it does look like we are not going to be able to use the
wider modes in the
Based on further comments by ARRL, it really does appear that the FCC
incorrectly stated in the RO that no hams would lose any priveleges
because Generals and Advanced have significant losses in the CW portion
of 80 meters. I still can't figure out why they did this to such an
extreme extent
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