Re: [Discuss] Printer recommendations sought

2013-09-19 Thread Kent Borg
On 09/18/2013 04:18 PM, Gordon Marx wrote: http://www.brother-usa.com/Printer/ModelDetail/1/HL2270DW/spec#.UjoKQBYYQwE Wow, laser printers have come down in price since last I looked. Is there still the split between printers with competitive cartridges and those with DMCA-locked-down cartrid

Re: [Discuss] Hard drive recovery expert

2013-09-19 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 09/18/2013 06:19 PM, Robert La Ferla wrote: I have a few ATA hard drives from about 6-7 years ago that crashed and I lost all my photos including ones of my baby son. They were attached to a Linux server and had a ext2 or ext3 filesystem on them. I don't recall exactly. Anyways, I want t

Re: [Discuss] Printer recommendations sought

2013-09-19 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 09/18/2013 03:57 PM, Bill Horne wrote: I'm seeking performance data and recommendations for mid-range laser printers. The organization I work for has been using "home" grade printers, but they have a maximum life of around 30,000 pages, and I'd like something more robust. Please provide any p

[Discuss] BLU Keysigning CAFF (CA Fire and Forget) vs bash script

2013-09-19 Thread Jerry Feldman
I used the bash script (as did JABR) to sign all the keys from last night. A couple of differences between my script and caff. Bash script identifies the key is the result of the BLU meeting, but the signed key is sent inline. Caff on the other hand sends the signed key as an attachmentmaking it si

[Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread Eric Chadbourne
I wonder how much to make of this? NSA Backdoor Torvalds was also asked if he had ever been approached by the U.S. government to insert a backdoor into Linux. Torvalds responded "no" while shaking his head "yes," as the audience broke into spontaneous laughter. http://www.eweek.com/deve

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread markw
I think we all agree that he *must* have been approached. The fact that he nodded his head yes bead said no is clear as to what happened. It should be clear that the fact that he was asked means a few things: (1) He has not said he did not put in a back door. (2) Others in the community were prob

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread john saylor
On 9/19/13 9:36 , Eric Chadbourne wrote: > I wonder how much to make of this? think about open source for a moment. also, i do not think linus [or linux] can be subject to an NSA security letter as he is not a US citizen. but it would be easy to fork any open source project and make the modificat

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread markw
> On 9/19/13 9:36 , Eric Chadbourne wrote: >> I wonder how much to make of this? > > think about open source for a moment. also, i do not think linus [or > linux] can be subject to an NSA security letter as he is not a US citizen. He is on U.S. soil thus U.S. law applies to him. This is complete n

Re: [Discuss] BLU Keysigning CAFF (CA Fire and Forget) vs bash script

2013-09-19 Thread John Abreau
I tried caff first, and it failed to email anything from my desktop machine. On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > I used the bash script (as did JABR) to sign all the keys from last > night. A couple of differences between my script and caff. > Bash script identifies the key is

Re: [Discuss] BLU Keysigning CAFF (CA Fire and Forget) vs bash script

2013-09-19 Thread Jerry Feldman
I sent you a caff message. At least one ended up[ in the dead letter bin. There is a config option in ~/.caffrc mailer-send [array] Parameters to pass to Mail::Mailer. This could for example be $CONFIG{'mailer-send'} = [ 'smtp', Server => 'mail.server', Auth => ['

[Discuss] Reminder: Software Freedom Day - Saturday, Sept 21

2013-09-19 Thread Will Rico
When: Saturday, September 21, 2013 9:30am - 5:30pm Location: Cambridge College, 1000 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge, MA ­ Directions #1 bus or Red Line. About half-way between Harvard Sq & Central Sq. Notes 1) Red Hat is sponsoring coffee & bagels in the morning. Thank

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread Richard Pieri
john saylor wrote: think about open source for a moment. also, i do not think linus [or linux] can be subject to an NSA security letter as he is not a US citizen. He resides on US soil. This makes him subject to US laws. but it would be easy to fork any open source project and make the modifi

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread Eric Chadbourne
-- Original Message -- From: ma...@mohawksoft.com To: "Eric Chadbourne" Cc: "BLU" Sent: 9/19/2013 10:10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa I think we all agree that he *must* have been approached. The fact that he nodded his head yes bead said no is clear as to what happene

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread Kent Borg
On 09/19/2013 10:45 AM, Eric Chadbourne quoted ma...@mohawksoft.com: > (4) It is quite likely there are multiple backdoors in Linux. Because it is open source it is harder to put in explicit backdoors. But because it is software there are bugs, and some likely have security implications. I b

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread john saylor
On 9/19/13 11:29 , Kent Borg wrote: > Maybe the > Linux kernel has enough of them that the NSA doesn't need to weaken it, > they can just use the weaknesses that are already there. i've got to think that windows [esp] and mac os are *far* more vulnerable to exploits of this type as the source is n

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread Richard Pieri
Eric Chadbourne wrote: It seems, from my little apartment in Quincy, with no data to back this up, that it's safe to assume 1 through 3. 4 I don't know about. I _feel_ safe with the kernel. Gnome and the rest scare me. I wrote this a while back: security means thinking about worst cases. Ap

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread Richard Pieri
john saylor wrote: i've got to think that windows [esp] and mac os are *far* more vulnerable to exploits of this type as the source is not publically available. Darwin, the Unix layer of OS X, is FreeBSD and the source code is very much publicly available. Not that it matters. As I pointed o

Re: [Discuss] Printer recommendations sought

2013-09-19 Thread Rich Braun
I bought my Ricoh C410DN color laser in December 2006. Best-ever device I can recall ever owning. Originally I bought it to save on ink/toner, and now I realize that it's delivered not only that but incredible durability. There's never been a problem with it, other than a sporadic paper-jam issu

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread Dan Ritter
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 01:18:49PM -0400, Richard Pieri wrote: > john saylor wrote: > >as i understand it, darwin is a fork of freebsd. apple has some non-open > >stuff in there too. > > You misunderstand it. The kernel, XNU, is FreeBSD + Mach, both open > source. The userland is main line FreeBSD

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread Richard Pieri
ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: Not at all. Those are the GPL packages they are required to provide or parts that make sense for isvs. The "darwin" project, as a full OS as the basis of the Mac, is a parrot. No, Mark. It's the full OS in source form and it builds with Apple's own tool chain. Apple

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread Ben Eisenbraun
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 01:33:25PM -0400, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: > > as i understand it, darwin is a fork of freebsd. It's not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)#History > "darwin" is pretty dead. Apple stopped providing updates a long time ago. They didn't: http://op

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread Richard Pieri
john saylor wrote: as i understand it, darwin is a fork of freebsd. apple has some non-open stuff in there too. You misunderstand it. The kernel, XNU, is FreeBSD + Mach, both open source. The userland is main line FreeBSD. Apple contributes code changes upstream to FreeBSD and Mach. See: ht

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread Richard Pieri
Dan Ritter wrote: That is, can someone use the same toolchain Apple uses to compile the same source and get the same binaries? And if so, has anyone done so? Yes. It's called PureDarwin: http://www.puredarwin.org/ -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread markw
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 01:33:25PM -0400, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: >> > as i understand it, darwin is a fork of freebsd. > > It's not: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)#History > >> "darwin" is pretty dead. Apple stopped providing updates a long time >> ago. > > They d

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread markw
> On 9/19/13 11:46 , Richard Pieri wrote: >> Darwin, the Unix layer of OS X, is FreeBSD and the source code is very >> much publicly available. > > as i understand it, darwin is a fork of freebsd. apple has some non-open > stuff in there too. "darwin" is pretty dead. Apple stopped providing update

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread Dan Ritter
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 01:26:45PM -0400, Richard Pieri wrote: > Dan Ritter wrote: > >That is, can someone use the same toolchain Apple uses to > >compile the same source and get the same binaries? > > > >And if so, has anyone done so? > > Yes. It's called PureDarwin: > http://www.puredarwin.org/

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread john saylor
On 9/19/13 11:46 , Richard Pieri wrote: > Darwin, the Unix layer of OS X, is FreeBSD and the source code is very > much publicly available. as i understand it, darwin is a fork of freebsd. apple has some non-open stuff in there too. -- \js [http://or8.net/~johns/] : i am alive __

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread Richard Pieri
Dan Ritter wrote: No, that proves that the source compiles legitimately. I want to know if anyone has run diffs against the binaries that Apple provides and the binaries generated from the Apple source to determine whether Apple is actually using that source as-is. I'm sure someone has but that

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 9/19/2013 9:36 AM, Eric Chadbourne wrote: > I wonder how much to make of this? > > > > NSA Backdoor > Torvalds was also asked if he had ever been approached by the U.S. > government to insert a backdoor into Linux. > > Torvalds responded "no" while shaking his head "yes," as the audience > b

Re: [Discuss] our friend the nsa

2013-09-19 Thread Richard Pieri
Matthew Gillen wrote: Yet another point of fact is that RHEL is one of the operating systems approved for the highest levels of classified networks. No, it isn't. A modified version called TNE has that approval. Since the TNE changes are not openly published I can only speculate as to what ch