Re: [Discuss] RHEL6 sysadmin doc? (and book question)

2014-02-13 Thread Betsy Schwartz
Thanks! I have and love the Nemeth et al book, but it's nowhere near specific or advanced enough. For example, just to name a few things I've had to look up recenytly: there's only about a paragraph on grub.conf, nothing about setting up different types of network bonding on ports, and almost

Re: [Discuss] RHEL6 sysadmin doc? (and book question)

2014-02-13 Thread Richard Pieri
Betsy Schwartz wrote: Also wondering if you have any book recommendations. "UNIX System Administration Handbook" by Evi Nemeth, et.al., in its various editions are the best general sysadmin texts out there, especially for those who find themselves dealing with or migrating between different

[Discuss] RHEL6 sysadmin doc? (and book question)

2014-02-13 Thread Betsy Schwartz
Does anyone know if there's a System Administration Guide, System Administrator's Guide, System Administration Reference guide or similar for RHEL6? The Red Hat docs page has them for RHEL7beta and RHEL4 but not in between Also wondering if you have any book recommendations. I spent 20+ years doi

Re: [Discuss] Why NOT use Linux?

2014-02-13 Thread Richard Pieri
Joe Polcari wrote: Really - which linux does this? My HP40L with vanilla Debian 6 and 7. Five disks, four on one SATA controller, one on another. The lone disk sometimes is sda, sometimes is sde. Debian uses the UUID hack so it boots, but this makes it more difficult for me to replace that d

Re: [Discuss] Why use Linux?

2014-02-13 Thread MBR
As I wrote earlier, Micky's a personal friend, and we're both involved in the local Drupal community here in Boston. I did not intend for her to include in her presentation everything I wrote in my email. I was making points to her that I thought she should be aware of if she were going to ac

Re: [Discuss] Why NOT use Linux?

2014-02-13 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Joe Polcari wrote: > Really - which linux does this? > I've built numerous servers with 24 SSDs and on the servers with no raid > controllers, the disks are always enumerated in the order of what sata > controller port they are plugged into for RH, Cent and Debian

Re: [Discuss] Why NOT use Linux?

2014-02-13 Thread Joe Polcari
Really - which linux does this? I've built numerous servers with 24 SSDs and on the servers with no raid controllers, the disks are always enumerated in the order of what sata controller port they are plugged into for RH, Cent and Debian variants. -Original Message- From: discuss-bounces+j

Re: [Discuss] Why NOT use Linux?

2014-02-13 Thread Richard Pieri
Joe Polcari wrote: This should help for your last point. I have a %pre script that runs in my kickstarts that fixes the enumeration problem of disks if you need it. This is appreciated. It's something to add to my bag of tricks. Still, this punctuates the point. Why do we need so many workarou

Re: [Discuss] Why NOT use Linux?

2014-02-13 Thread Joe Polcari
This should help for your last point. I have a %pre script that runs in my kickstarts that fixes the enumeration problem of disks if you need it. The same could be done for the Ethernet. I have the same problem when you don't want to use the onboard ports and you need the PCI ports to be first. Wha

Re: [Discuss] Why use Linux? (back to original question)

2014-02-13 Thread Richard Pieri
John Abreau wrote: Mark: > Not really supported by the qemu guys. How's the version updates? Richard: > Dunnow, I don't use it. Never saw the need While I can't speak for everyone, it sure came across to me that you dismissed Mark's experience, then acknowledged that you hadn't actually tried

Re: [Discuss] Why NOT use Linux?

2014-02-13 Thread Richard Pieri
Martin Owens wrote: I disagree with with the poisonous gentleman. This is just yet more deliberately negative opinion dressed up as fact. Read this: I used to be upset when gnome developers decided it was "too complicated" for the user to remap some mouse buttons. In gnome3, the developers ha

Re: [Discuss] Why use Linux? (back to original question)

2014-02-13 Thread John Abreau
Granted, I was paraphrasing from memory. Here are the actual words: Mark: > The shear number of tools available on Linux is just simply amazing. > Screen, ssh, PAM, qemu, libvirt, virt-manager, X, and yes, I said it, > The X Window Manager. Richard: > QEMU: OS X doesn't ship with it but it's inst

Re: [Discuss] Why use Linux?

2014-02-13 Thread Richard Pieri
Eric Chadbourne wrote: I feel the same. As a developer / user I think it protects my freedoms. Anything I write will always be under the GPL or something very similar or I won't do it. How many of us have written something that we can Point: rights and freedoms are not the same thing. When Ma

Re: [Discuss] Why NOT use Linux?

2014-02-13 Thread Martin Owens
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 10:07 -0500, Richard Pieri wrote: > The state of desktops on Linux is terrible. I disagree with with the poisonous gentleman. This is just yet more deliberately negative opinion dressed up as fact. Richard, you obviously don't like Linux or Free Software; what are you doing

Re: [Discuss] a virtual challenge..

2014-02-13 Thread Richard Pieri
Stephen Adler wrote: This was kind of an odd one off question. Sorry.. None needed. Migrating VMs from one hypervisor to another can get pretty hairy. Take the fortunate victories when you can. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org ht

Re: [Discuss] a virtual challenge..

2014-02-13 Thread Stephen Adler
As it turns out... I figured it out... I plugged away at the device manager updating drivers to what looked like generic windows drivers for various devices and then had to configure the VMWare disk as an IDE disk, and not a SCSI disk as it does by default. This was kind of an odd one off ques

Re: [Discuss] Why use Linux?

2014-02-13 Thread Eric Chadbourne
On 02/12/2014 02:24 AM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: >> Yes, developers give away some rights if they develop under GPL, > > This is simply not true. If I develop my software and publish it under the > GPL, I give away NONE of my freedoms. I feel the same. As a developer / user I think it protect

Re: [Discuss] Why use Linux? (back to original question)

2014-02-13 Thread Richard Pieri
John Abreau wrote: Actually, I was paraphrasing, and combining statements across multiple days, and not in the order that they were posted. As I recall, Richard responded to claims that MacOS was lacking in several regards, including QEMU, by claiming that MacOS worked fine, then later backed up

Re: [Discuss] Why use Linux? (back to original question)

2014-02-13 Thread John Abreau
Actually, I was paraphrasing, and combining statements across multiple days, and not in the order that they were posted. As I recall, Richard responded to claims that MacOS was lacking in several regards, including QEMU, by claiming that MacOS worked fine, then later backed up his claim by stating

Re: [Discuss] Why use Linux? (back to original question)

2014-02-13 Thread Richard Pieri
ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: "I've never needed to use QEMU on Macintosh. Therefore QEMU works great on Macintosh, and anyone whose experience says differently is wrong." Interesting logic. Whom are you quoting? That's something I'd like to know, too. Anyway. Yes, I'm aware that there are

Re: [Discuss] Why use Linux? (back to original question)

2014-02-13 Thread markw
> "I've never needed to use QEMU on Macintosh. Therefore QEMU works great on > Macintosh, and anyone whose experience says differently is wrong." > > Interesting logic. Whom are you quoting? > > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:58 AM, wrote: > >> > ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: >> >> SSH does not do th

Re: [Discuss] Why use Linux? (back to original question)

2014-02-13 Thread John Abreau
"I've never needed to use QEMU on Macintosh. Therefore QEMU works great on Macintosh, and anyone whose experience says differently is wrong." Interesting logic. On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:58 AM, wrote: > > ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: > >> SSH does not do this on Mac easily. Yes, if you configur

Re: [Discuss] a virtual challenge..

2014-02-13 Thread Jerry Feldman
First, what version of VMware are you using? Are you trying to boot the same guest image in VirtualBox and VMware. Richards advice to use the converter will help. On 02/13/2014 11:20 AM, Stephen Adler wrote: > Guys, > > So I'm trying to do something rather complicated and contorted. > Basically I

Re: [Discuss] a virtual challenge..

2014-02-13 Thread Richard Pieri
To be honest, I've found it easier and less time-consuming to reinstall. Alternatively, if VMware is the target then you can use the VMware converter tool to clone the running VM. I used this method the last time I needed to migrate a VM. It works, but it may take a few tries to get the settin

[Discuss] a virtual challenge..

2014-02-13 Thread Stephen Adler
Guys, So I'm trying to do something rather complicated and contorted. Basically I have a virtual box windows 7 guest environment which is running fine using virtual box, but if I boot it using VMware, the vmware guest causes a windows blue screen to happen at boot up time. So, without reinst

Re: [Discuss] In praise of X11 (Was Why use Linux)

2014-02-13 Thread Richard Pieri
ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: have is atrocious. This makes it difficult to use Macs remotely. Apple abandoned the UNIX X11 layer for their applications. Ah, I see where you're going. I still maintain that Apple never abandoned X11. To the contrary, Apple never embraced it. Originally, Apple us

Re: [Discuss] Why NOT use Linux?

2014-02-13 Thread Eric Chadbourne
On 02/13/2014 10:07 AM, Richard Pieri wrote: > My top three: > > The state of desktops on Linux is terrible. Granted I'm picking just one sentence out of several paragraphs but this one got to me. I have been running gnu/linux for my main desktop at home and at work for many years and I am very

Re: [Discuss] Why NOT use Linux?

2014-02-13 Thread Richard Pieri
ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: This is a subjective comment. People at work have Macs, my wife has Agreed. Usability is subjective. My experience with the various Linux desktops, from the Caldera Network Desktop to the present, is that they've been getting worse, not better. Its funny, backu

Re: [Discuss] In praise of X11 (Was Why use Linux)

2014-02-13 Thread markw
> ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: >> So, by abandoning X11 in Apple, > > Mark, > Would you KINDLY stop with the FUD? Apple didn't abandon XQuartz. It is not FUD. It is fact. Yes, Apple Mac supplies an X11 server that runs on their platform, but this is different than supporting X11. I can not, for ins

[Discuss] Boston Linux Meeting Wednesday, February 19, 2014 - SoC Deep Dive

2014-02-13 Thread Jerry Feldman
When: February 19, 2014 7PM (6:30PM for Q&A) Topic: SoC Deep Dive Moderators:Brian DeLacey, Federico Lucifredi, Kurt Keville Location: MIT Building E51, Room 315 ### Please note that Wadsworth St. is still closed. ### Proceed West on Memorial Drive to Ames St. Ames will be ### 2-way during constr

Re: [Discuss] Why NOT use Linux?

2014-02-13 Thread markw
> Ted Roche wrote: >> And if you're presenting a Pro/Con argument for Linux, clearly we've >> provided you with material for that, too. Why NOT use Linux? > > My top three: > > The state of desktops on Linux is terrible. Of the three leaders we have > KDE which is a disaster, Unity which is a table

Re: [Discuss] In praise of X11 (Was Why use Linux)

2014-02-13 Thread Richard Pieri
ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: So, by abandoning X11 in Apple, Mark, Would you KINDLY stop with the FUD? Apple didn't abandon XQuartz. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

Re: [Discuss] Why NOT use Linux?

2014-02-13 Thread Richard Pieri
Ted Roche wrote: And if you're presenting a Pro/Con argument for Linux, clearly we've provided you with material for that, too. Why NOT use Linux? My top three: The state of desktops on Linux is terrible. Of the three leaders we have KDE which is a disaster, Unity which is a tablet UI despera

Re: [Discuss] Why use Linux? (back to original question)

2014-02-13 Thread markw
> ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: >> SSH does not do this on Mac easily. Yes, if you configure the >> bastardized >> X server that you can get for Mac, you might be able to get it to work, >> but not with all programs. > > XQuartz is genuine X.Org. There's nothing bastardized about it, and all > X11 ap

Re: [Discuss] Why use Linux? (back to original question)

2014-02-13 Thread Richard Pieri
ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: SSH does not do this on Mac easily. Yes, if you configure the bastardized X server that you can get for Mac, you might be able to get it to work, but not with all programs. XQuartz is genuine X.Org. There's nothing bastardized about it, and all X11 applications work

Re: [Discuss] In praise of X11 (Was Why use Linux)

2014-02-13 Thread markw
>> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- >> bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of >> ma...@mohawksoft.com >> >> OK, so, I can ssh to a linux box from another linux box, and run an X >> program and use it, transparently, as if it were any other application >> on

Re: [Discuss] Why use Linux? (back to original question)

2014-02-13 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
> From: ma...@mohawksoft.com [mailto:ma...@mohawksoft.com] > > This is a very important capability that is essential for most enterprise > level software. You can create multiple TB sized files on a much smalled > volume and grow as needed. So no, you went from Apple supports that, to it > doesn't

Re: [Discuss] Why use Linux? (back to original question)

2014-02-13 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of > ma...@mohawksoft.com > > OK, so, I can ssh to a linux box from another linux box, and run an X > program and use it, transparently, as if it were any other application on > my des

Re: [Discuss] Why NOT use Linux?

2014-02-13 Thread Ted Roche
And if you're presenting a Pro/Con argument for Linux, clearly we've provided you with material for that, too. Why NOT use Linux? "pedantics" ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

Re: [Discuss] Why use Linux? (back to original question)

2014-02-13 Thread markw
>> From: ma...@mohawksoft.com [mailto:ma...@mohawksoft.com] >> >> > And you're wrong about sparse files. All of the above support sparse >> > files. >> >> Yes, with enough work, you can put a V8 in a motorcycle, but that is a >> strawman argument. The Mac file system HFS does not support sparse fi

Re: [Discuss] Why use Linux? (back to original question)

2014-02-13 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
> From: ma...@mohawksoft.com [mailto:ma...@mohawksoft.com] > > > And you're wrong about sparse files. All of the above support sparse > > files. > > Yes, with enough work, you can put a V8 in a motorcycle, but that is a > strawman argument. The Mac file system HFS does not support sparse files