Re: [Discuss] [OT] Android development books

2014-05-21 Thread John Abreau
Is there supposed to be a question there, or is that a response to someone else's question? On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > I have a couple of older Android books at home, and I have dabbled with > it, but I have a possible task at work,, and I should be able to buy a >

Re: [Discuss] DMARC issue, Yahoo and beyond

2014-05-21 Thread Richard Pieri
Derek Martin wrote: > in any fashion. Mutt properly ignored your reply-to header and did > what I asked it to do. It had *absolutely no effect* as I said. With the caveat that I did not list Mutt by name but that's quibbling. Point is, as you've experienced yourself, Mutt's behavior is not consi

Re: [Discuss] DMARC issue, Yahoo and beyond

2014-05-21 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 03:25:09PM -0400, Richard Pieri wrote: > Derek Martin wrote: > > Here's why it IS thoughtless: You're talking about the general case of > > lists setting the reply-to header to the *list* address. I'm talking > > about setting it to the *sender's* address. The former is ve

[Discuss] [OT] Android development books

2014-05-21 Thread Jerry Feldman
I have a couple of older Android books at home, and I have dabbled with it, but I have a possible task at work,, and I should be able to buy a few books. I'm familiar with the SDK to some extent. The spec is a few vague words at the moment, and the app I write is (or Should) never go to production

Re: [Discuss] DMARC issue, Yahoo and beyond

2014-05-21 Thread Richard Pieri
Richard Pieri wrote: > You are incorrect. When the Reply-To field is set then all replies use > the Reply-To field contents for the new To field. This is unexpected > when reply to list would otherwise use the list's address. This is > unexpected when reply to all would otherwise use all addresses

Re: [Discuss] DMARC issue, Yahoo and beyond

2014-05-21 Thread Richard Pieri
Derek Martin wrote: > Here's why it IS thoughtless: You're talking about the general case of > lists setting the reply-to header to the *list* address. I'm talking > about setting it to the *sender's* address. The former is very bad, > for the reasons you suggest. The latter has NONE of the effe

Re: [Discuss] DMARC issue, Yahoo and beyond

2014-05-21 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 02:30:43PM -0400, Robert Krawitz wrote: > > Lists setting or rewriting Reply-To headers punishes users of > > good, open source mail programs and rewards users of broken, > > proprietary mail programs like Outlook. On this, Richard and I agree. > OK. So if the list has a

Re: [Discuss] DMARC issue, Yahoo and beyond

2014-05-21 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 02:10:48PM -0400, Richard Pieri wrote: > Derek Martin wrote: > > If a mailing list--which is already a special case of e-mail > > usage--*ADDS* a reply-to header to an e-mail which matches the from > > header of the message, when none previously existed, the net effect is >

Re: [Discuss] DMARC issue, Yahoo and beyond

2014-05-21 Thread Richard Pieri
Robert Krawitz wrote: > OK. So if the list has a policy that all replies should be directed > to the list rather than the author, what should the list do to > "encourage" members to honor that policy? I don't think I can help you with this. I don't see how ham-fisted, draconian policies encourage

Re: [Discuss] DMARC issue, Yahoo and beyond

2014-05-21 Thread Robert Krawitz
On Wed, 21 May 2014 14:10:48 -0400, Richard Pieri wrote: > Derek Martin wrote: >> If a mailing list--which is already a special case of e-mail >> usage--*ADDS* a reply-to header to an e-mail which matches the from >> header of the message, when none previously existed, the net effect is >> nil: res

Re: [Discuss] DMARC issue, Yahoo and beyond

2014-05-21 Thread Richard Pieri
Derek Martin wrote: > If a mailing list--which is already a special case of e-mail > usage--*ADDS* a reply-to header to an e-mail which matches the from > header of the message, when none previously existed, the net effect is > nil: respondants will (assuming they even honor reply-to, which is not

Re: [Discuss] DMARC issue, Yahoo and beyond

2014-05-21 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 05:07:00PM -0400, Richard Pieri wrote: > Derek Martin wrote: > > That should be fine unless the author has already done that. > > RFC 2822 is clear on what does not belong... This response is particularly thoughtless. I'm well aware of what the RFC says. I'm also well aw