Re: [Discuss] Agile software for a nacent project

2012-07-13 Thread Seth Gordon
I would agree that a good process, in the hands of incompetent management, will lead to bad results. I was an education major in a previous life, and I saw how processes that sounded good when I learned about them in my ed classes could be corrupted into yet another form of ineffective paint-by-num

Re: [Discuss] Agile software for a nacent project

2012-07-12 Thread Mark Woodward
On 07/12/2012 09:52 PM, David Kramer wrote: Mark, we've had had this conversation before, and you have met me, so I can safely say you're lying. I want to add another note. There are a lot of companies in this industry and a number of them are genuinely good places to work. The majority of co

Re: [Discuss] Agile software for a nacent project

2012-07-12 Thread Mark Woodward
On 07/12/2012 09:52 PM, David Kramer wrote: On 07/12/2012 12:53 PM, Mark Woodward wrote: I think "agile" development is probably the most abusive management technique ever devised. Sure, aspects of it are good software development processes, but the implementation is pretty exploitive, in my opi

Re: [Discuss] Agile software for a nacent project

2012-07-12 Thread Tom Metro
Doug wrote: > Does an agile development process make sense for projects...with > people who don't live in the same states or countries? Yes. I've worked on long duration projects with distributed teams following agile methodologies. It works just as well at a distance (providing you can figure out

Re: [Discuss] Agile software for a nacent project

2012-07-12 Thread David Kramer
On 07/12/2012 12:53 PM, Mark Woodward wrote: > > I think "agile" development is probably the most abusive management > technique ever devised. Sure, aspects of it are good software > development processes, but the implementation is pretty exploitive, in > my opinion. Every "agile" environment I ha

Re: [Discuss] Agile software for a nacent project

2012-07-12 Thread Mark Woodward
On 07/12/2012 12:16 PM, Doug wrote: I think "agile" development is probably the most abusive management technique ever devised. Sure, aspects of it are good software development processes, but the implementation is pretty exploitive, in my opinion. Every "agile" environment I have seen works t

[Discuss] Agile software for a nacent project

2012-07-12 Thread Doug
Does an agile development process make sense for projects that are all volunteer based, with people who don't live in the same states or countries? In my job, we use greenhopper, part of www.atlassian.com set of software. There are morning scrum meetings, story sessions, sprint planning and sprin