Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-27 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 07:26:28PM -0400, Richard Pieri wrote: > Which takes me back to the start of this. If you want a computer > then buy a computer. Don't buy a Ferrari and expect to be able to > run Diablo 3 on it. But DO expect an iPhone to run Diablo 3. It runs all sorts of other games

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-27 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 08:18:06PM -0400, Richard Pieri wrote: > On 6/26/2012 2:41 AM, Derek Martin wrote: > >Easy. Neither the permanence of affixment of its parts, nor the > >inability to upgrade them relate at all to whether or not a device is > >a general purpose computer. That is purely a fu

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-27 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/27/2012 7:24 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: IMHO, tablets are computers. However, when you look at mobile phones, Smartphones are primarily tablet devices with communications features in contrast many cell phones have chips and software in them, but they are phones with computers. Cars have had co

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-27 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 06/26/2012 08:18 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: > On 6/26/2012 2:41 AM, Derek Martin wrote: >> Easy. Neither the permanence of affixment of its parts, nor the >> inability to upgrade them relate at all to whether or not a device is >> a general purpose computer. That is purely a function of its >> h

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-26 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/26/2012 2:41 AM, Derek Martin wrote: Easy. Neither the permanence of affixment of its parts, nor the inability to upgrade them relate at all to whether or not a device is a general purpose computer. That is purely a function of its hardware's capability to execute instructions to achieve a

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-25 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 07:29:04PM -0400, Richard Pieri wrote: > Except for Apple's first-party applications which know how to tell > Quartz and Quartz Extreme to override this scaling and use the > native pixel density. Now factor the glued-in battery pack which is > good for 300 charge cycles be

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-22 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/22/2012 5:32 PM, Robert Krawitz wrote: smaller font, but the next size down (5x8) is too jagged. A 10x16 font (9x15 is the closest equivalent) would almost surely probably be perfectly readable on a 17" 3840x2400 display. That's because it's a larger type face. But you see (hah-hah) the

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-22 Thread Shankar Viswanathan
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: > I think a better question is, "why on earth would you want a rMBP?" Unlike > the previous MBP incarnations this one is disposable.  The RAM is soldered > down to the board, the SSD is proprietary, and the battery packs are firmly > cemented t

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-22 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/22/2012 3:14 PM, Drew Van Zandt wrote: Why on earth would I want to scale it? What's the smallest point size font you can read on a 15" 1440x900 display? 10 point? 9 point? 8 point? Now reduce the point size by half. Because that's what happens when you go from a 110ppi screen to a

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-22 Thread Drew Van Zandt
Why on earth would I want to scale it? * Drew Van Zandt Artisan's Asylum Craft Lead, Electronics & Robotics Cam # US2010035593 (M:Liam Hopkins R: Bastian Rotgeld) Domain Coordinator, MA-003-D. Masquerade aVST * On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: > > A 1" by 1" image at a do

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-22 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/22/2012 2:24 PM, Matthew Gillen wrote: Apple especially has tried to make it "illegal" in various ways to unlock their devices. But they've failed every time. Likewise with Amazon's kindle, B&N's nook, etc. Apple vs. every Mac clone maker has resulted in a win for Apple. And while Apple

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-22 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/22/2012 2:52 PM, Drew Van Zandt wrote: I'm confused... does the retina display HARDWARE scale the images up? I have zero interest in MacOS; I'd be using Ubuntu. (Assuming the HW is supported at some point.) A 1" by 1" image at a dot pitch appropriate for a 15" 1440x900 display is going

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-22 Thread Drew Van Zandt
I'm confused... does the retina display HARDWARE scale the images up? I have zero interest in MacOS; I'd be using Ubuntu. (Assuming the HW is supported at some point.) * Drew Van Zandt Artisan's Asylum Craft Lead, Electronics & Robotics Cam # US2010035593 (M:Liam Hopkins R: Bastian Rotgeld) Doma

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-22 Thread j...@polcari.com
I belive they can do this ... IF they make the hardware.Otherwise, they can only request the option to do this and what hardware vendor, other than Microsoft, would tie their BIOS to one software vendor??Why would you buy that piece of hardware?IOW, would you buy a car if it would only accept

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-22 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 06/22/2012 01:43 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: > On 6/22/2012 11:19 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >> I agree it stinks, but if you refuse to use products like this, you're >> confining yourself to a fringe, and you can rest assured there won't be >> enough people in your group to sway the product offe

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-22 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/22/2012 1:45 PM, Drew Van Zandt wrote: I want a retina display Macbook running Linux, though. Screen size (in pixels) is my #1 laptop decision-making spec. Problem is, the retina Macbooks aren't really 2880x1800 in practical use. A 1" by 1" image on a standard 15" (1440x900) screen woul

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-22 Thread Drew Van Zandt
I want a retina display Macbook running Linux, though. Screen size (in pixels) is my #1 laptop decision-making spec. * Drew Van Zandt Artisan's Asylum Craft Lead, Electronics & Robotics Cam # US2010035593 (M:Liam Hopkins R: Bastian Rotgeld) Domain Coordinator, MA-003-D. Masquerade aVST * On F

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-22 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/22/2012 11:19 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: I agree it stinks, but if you refuse to use products like this, you're confining yourself to a fringe, and you can rest assured there won't be enough people in your group to sway the product offerings of MS & Apple & etc. No, actually, I don't thi

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Mark Woodward > > I was thinking, if Microsoft gets its way, it will use what's left of > its monopoly power to restrict access to the PC boot infrastructure. In > principal I have

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-22 Thread David Blank-Edelman
On Jun 22, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Mark Woodward wrote: > In principal I have no problem with a secure boot system, as long as I have > control over what *I* allow to boot. My understanding is Microsoft's x86 spec for machines certified to run their newer OS versions _requires_ (not optional) manu

Re: [Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-22 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 06/22/2012 10:12 AM, Mark Woodward wrote: > I was thinking, if Microsoft gets its way, it will use what's left of > its monopoly power to restrict access to the PC boot infrastructure. In > principal I have no problem with a secure boot system, as long as I have > control over what *I* allow to

[Discuss] Class action against "Secure Boot"

2012-06-22 Thread Mark Woodward
I was thinking, if Microsoft gets its way, it will use what's left of its monopoly power to restrict access to the PC boot infrastructure. In principal I have no problem with a secure boot system, as long as I have control over what *I* allow to boot. The problem is when *I* have to ask or pay