[Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-12 Thread markw
My friends and I were arguing about what the future holds for computers. I think we all agree that the desktop is dead, but there is some disagreement as to the fate of the laptop. Does anyone think that this is an interesting discussion? Here are my assertions: The desktop if largely dead like c

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-12 Thread Daniel C.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:07 PM, wrote: > My friends and I were arguing about what the future holds for computers. I > think we all agree that the desktop is dead, but there is some > disagreement as to the fate of the laptop. Does anyone think that this is > an interesting discussion? Yes. Wh

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-12 Thread Jason Normand
Personally I don't know anyone who uses a tablet exclusively. It will still be some time before they replace laptops as the primary device. Additionally it would not surprise me if the growth of tablets actually revitalized the desktop to an extent. With a tablet the convience of a laptop is unn

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-12 Thread Drew Van Zandt
I have a quad-core tablet with a keyboard. It sucks for anything real. * Drew Van Zandt Artisan's Asylum Craft Lead, Electronics & Robotics Cam # US2010035593 (M:Liam Hopkins R: Bastian Rotgeld) Domain Coordinator, MA-003-D. Masquerade aVST * On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Jason Normand w

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-12 Thread Richard Pieri
On Mar 12, 2012, at 10:07 PM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: > > The laptop is dead too, tablets will become the new laptops. Bluetooth > keyboards and mice, plus a master USB port, will make them more usable > than laptops. Android will make them price competitive. I disagree. Tablets are all abou

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-12 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
On 3/12/2012 10:07 PM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: My friends and I were arguing about what the future holds for computers. I think we all agree that the desktop is dead, but there is some disagreement as to the fate of the laptop. Does anyone think that this is an interesting discussion? Here a

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-12 Thread Richard Pieri
On 3/13/2012 12:13 AM, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: The laptop certainly won't die for a while, if ever. Many tasks work so much better with real keyboards; for example, I can't see professional writers ever adopting tablets as their primary writing device. This is an important point. Even a

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread markw
> I have a quad-core tablet with a keyboard. > > It sucks for anything real. Is it a matter of hardware or software? > > * > Drew Van Zandt > Artisan's Asylum Craft Lead, Electronics & Robotics > Cam # US2010035593 (M:Liam Hopkins R: Bastian Rotgeld) > Domain Coordinator, MA-003-D. Masquerade aV

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread markw
> On Mar 12, 2012, at 10:07 PM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: >> >> The laptop is dead too, tablets will become the new laptops. Bluetooth >> keyboards and mice, plus a master USB port, will make them more usable >> than laptops. Android will make them price competitive. > > I disagree. Tablets are

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Chris O'Connell
Given that Microsoft is working so hard to ensure Windows 8 runs on tablets (either ARM or Intel) I have a prediction. I suspect that the eventual goal is to have this new type of Windows 8 tablet something that can be dropped into a dock at home. The new tablets will eventually be powerful enoug

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: On Mar 12, 2012, at 10:07 PM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: The laptop is dead too, tablets will become the new laptops. Bluetooth keyboards and mice, plus a master USB port, will make them more usable than laptops. Android will make them price

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
On 3/13/2012 6:26 AM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: Here's a use case: Imagine a writer writing a book or article, or even a blog. He doesn't care about technology. He uses a blue tooth keyboard and mouse (hell, maybe not even a mouse) he types his book just as he would a laptop. He researches the

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of > > The desktop if largely dead like cobol. It will linger, but never return. Desktops are still used in labs or anywhere that companies work on hardware, because they need access

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Chris O'Connell > > Given that Microsoft is working so hard to ensure Windows 8 runs on tablets > (either ARM or Intel) I have a prediction. I suspect that the eventual > goal is t

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 03/12/2012 10:07 PM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: > My friends and I were arguing about what the future holds for computers. I > think we all agree that the desktop is dead, but there is some > disagreement as to the fate of the laptop. Does anyone think that this is > an interesting discussion?

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread john saylor
On 03/12/2012 10:07 PM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: The desktop if largely dead like cobol. this typo is interesting because it makes your statement a proposition, a point to be argued. It will linger, but never return. if it is lingering, then it can't return [because it hasn't gone away

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Chris O'Connell
I'm not at all familiar with the Asus Transformer. Does the ASUS have an actual dock that can liven a monitor or two? How about Android printer support? If you bring it to the next meetup I would love to see it. In fact, we had a Tablet meeting not too long ago, and I think that the Tablet fiel

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Drew Van Zandt
> I have a quad-core tablet with a keyboard. > > It sucks for anything real. Is it a matter of hardware or software? It's a little of column A, a little of column B. (For the record, it's the Asus EEE Transformer, and it is AWESOME for the things a tablet is good for...where the majority of the

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
. From: Chris O'Connell [mailto:omegah...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:33 AM To: Edward Ned Harvey Cc: ma...@mohawksoft.com; blu (blu) Subject: Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers I'm not at all familiar with the Asus Transformer. Does the ASUS have a

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 03/13/2012 12:13 AM, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: > On 3/12/2012 10:07 PM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: >> My friends and I were arguing about what the future holds for >> computers. I >> think we all agree that the desktop is dead, but there is some >> disagreement as to the fate of the laptop.

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Kyle Leslie
I believe the iPad already has HDMI connectors so who knows what can be done with that. Quite a bit of information can be pushed through those apple connectors http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml And what about the Atrix type docks but for tablets? That could add quite a bit of "L

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Drew Van Zandt
The Transformer with attached keyboard has HDMI out (tablet) and a couple of USB 2.0 ports(keyboard), plus both a micro SD slot (tablet) and a full SD slot (keyboard). * Drew Van Zandt Artisan's Asylum Craft Lead, Electronics & Robotics Cam # US2010035593 (M:Liam Hopkins R: Bastian Rotgeld) Domain

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Jack Coats
I found that my 80+ inlaws love their iPad and notebook. Yes, they still have a desktop too. For two folk that have been retired for over 25 years, they stay nearer the 'front lines' of tech that I would have suspected. But they started with a Kaypro on CP/M and have been avid users ever since.

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Richard Pieri
On 3/13/2012 12:20 PM, Kyle Leslie wrote: Additionally I know that Rich and a few people were talking about allowing the full use of RAM on the tablets was quite battery hungry. If you could allow it to "expand" based on docked or not you could get a bit more power similar to a laptops power pla

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Kyle Leslie
I guess my thoughts with the idea were, *I think *it is Apple who is constantly saying that the "Desktop" is going away and they are trying to help that along. Now if you don't consider an iMac a desktop then that brings up a whole different scenerio where "All-in-One's" become the new "desktop".

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 03/13/2012 12:39 AM, Richard Pieri wrote: > On 3/13/2012 12:13 AM, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: >> The laptop certainly won't die for a while, if ever. Many tasks work so >> much better with real keyboards; for example, I can't see professional >> writers ever adopting tablets as their primary

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 03/13/2012 12:20 PM, Kyle Leslie wrote: > And what about the Atrix type docks but for tablets? That could add > quite a bit of "Laptop type" usage for users. I believe the EEE > Transformer uses a similar type of "docking" system.Personally I think > the next step would be allowing a mouse to

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Feldman > > I think the first casualty of the tablet market is the netbooks. The > higher end tablets like the iPad can certainly fill in the netbook niche. Don't rule out sp

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Kyle Leslie > > Personally I think the next step would > be allowing a mouse to be included in the docking system and then you have > a true "transformer". (I like my mouse) I bet

Re: [Discuss] Future of Personal Computers

2012-03-13 Thread Kyle Leslie
While the Macbook series definitely have a superior track pad I still prefer a mouse. But your point is definitely valid that using the track pad on a Macbook could definitely sway people from a mouse. Especially in a windows mobile environment (specifically metro). But is that a Windows/Linux c