Hi All!
Thank you for reading and answering my post in advance.
My question is old voice flip phones could only be traced to the transmitting
tower. But I understand now that GPS is built in and is active whether you
activate it or not. So there is the potential to track you within three meters
Having worked for McCaw Cellular aka Cellular One aka AT&T Wireless
Services, I remember them doing this in the 90's. Even if your cell phone
doesn't have GPS capabilities, the phone companies could track you using
what's called triangulation. It's not as accurate as GPS, but it's close
enough.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Oliver Holmes wrote:
> Hi All!
>
> Thank you for reading and answering my post in advance.
>
> My question is old voice flip phones could only be traced to the transmitting
> tower. But I understand now that GPS is built in and is active whether you
> activate it
On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Bill Bogstad wrote:
> So, unless you have a REALLY old phone, chances are very high that it
> has a GPS chipset that is remotely queryable.
And even then...
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/stingrays-biggest-unknown-technological-threat-cell-phone-privacy
Oliver Holmes wrote:
> My question is old voice flip phones could only be traced to the
> transmitting tower. But I understand now that GPS is built in and is
> active whether you activate it or not. So there is the potential to
> track you within three meters. Is this so?
I don't know about the t
Actually triangulation is used in GPS also. It is a very old tried and
true method.
On 06/05/2014 09:59 AM, Matt Shields wrote:
> Having worked for McCaw Cellular aka Cellular One aka AT&T Wireless
> Services, I remember them doing this in the 90's. Even if your cell phone
> doesn't have GPS cap
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:00 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> Actually triangulation is used in GPS also. It is a very old tried and
> true method.
Very true. Some difference are:
1. GPS is triangulation from satellites rather then cell towers
2. GPS was designed explicitly to provide location inform
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Bill Bogstad wrote:
> 4. GPS can be done passively by anyone anywhere, while cell tower
> triangulation requires endpoints that transmit (and as a result
> identify themselves.)
> I think that #4 is particularly interesting.
>
Depends what you mean by "passive".
Rich Pieri wrote:
> A power off state does not disable this "feature" on smart
> phones and some feature phones. Either remove the battery
> or stuff it in a static bag (Faraday cage).
Eyebrows raised...that statement doesn't sound right. I expect that a device
I own won't drain its battery if I
Rich Braun wrote:
> Eyebrows raised...that statement doesn't sound right. I expect that a device
> I own won't drain its battery if I turn it off. GPS radio receivers draw
> quite a bit of power, and 3G/4G transmitters probably draw even more.
One might expect quite a bit that isn't true. Off is
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Richard Pieri
wrote:
> It's because
> they're not really off.
>
If it's off enough to make an airline happy, it's not reporting anything,
even *if* it's passively tracking
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The 3g / 4g transmitters and receivers operate through the same ping that
allows you to get a phone connection.
If you think soimeone might be tracking you to improve thier services and
sales of them then you'd be right.
If you have an android phone or a phone with google installed go to:
https://w
Bill Ricker wrote:
> If it's off enough to make an airline happy, it's not reporting
> anything, even *if* it's passively tracking
Are you sure? I wouldn't be:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-growth-fueled-by-need-to-target-terrorists/2013/07/21/24c93cf4-f0b1-11e2-bed
Rich Pieri wrote:
> A power off state does not disable this "feature" on smart
> phones and some feature phones.
> ...[and followed up with]
> Off isn't really off. It's
> a very low power state same as every personal computer and TV set made
> since manufacturers did away with physical power swit
Rich Braun wrote:
> But anyone
> who has ever fiddled with a handheld GPS or wifi-enabled device knows how much
> of a power-suck those technologies are. Just because Ed Snowden found a
> document that claims otherwise doesn't mean it's true.
You're assuming that the GPS receiver in the device ha
Rich Braun wrote:
> I'm not buying the NSA's published FUD on this issue.
Me neither.
This is also a knowable answer that any high-school level electronics
student can answer:
1. Monitor the current draw from the device's battery when the unit is
powered off. If you never see more an micro amps
Tom Metro wrote:
> My guess is that the origin of this FUD comes from phones that have been
> hacked by a government agency. One can imagine how it would be easy to
> modify a phone's software such that the power button merely fakes a shut
> down. Meanwhile it stays running, tracking, and sending a
Oliver Holmes wrote:
> ...I understand now that GPS is built in and is
> active whether you activate it or not. So there is the potential to
> track you within three meters. Is this so?
http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/07/9-out-of-10-wireless-911-calls-in-dc-dont-provide-accurate-location-info
On 7/10/2014 7:33 PM, Tom Metro wrote:
> The bad results are largely because "[t]he location technology
> currently used by most wireless carriers (called A-GPS) depends on a
> direct line-of-sight to satellites, so it often fails in indoor
> locations or dense urban areas like the District
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