Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-22 Thread Dale R. Worley
Shirley M?rquez D?lcey writes: > So far as I know, the > licenses that come with computers still do not come with any virtual > machine rights. OTOH, a legitimate Windows 10 license is $119 (according to the Internet, which never lies), and Windows 10 Pro is $199, so it's not a big deal if you're

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-21 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
Matt, the document you passed along is specific to volume license agreements - in other words, corporate licenses. It does not apply to Windows licenses that come with a computer bought by a normal consumer, or by a company that just buys licensed computers and does not have a Windows Enterprise or

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-21 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 12/11/2017 11:38 PM, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: > The catch is licensing. The Windows license that came with your > computer doesn't cover running it in a virtual machine. You'll have to > buy a full retail license to do that legally. Sorry to come to this thread late, but I don't think this

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-13 Thread Mike Small
Steve Litt writes: > Mike Small mentioned > http://obsd.si/papers/eurobsdcon2014-mandoc-paper.pdf , which is an > improved man page authoring tool. From what I learned skimming the > link, mandoc has been created exclusively to create man pages, to the > extent that its styles have a 1 to 1 corre

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-13 Thread Richard Pieri
On 12/12/2017 10:03 PM, Daniel Barrett wrote: > I've written several O'Reilly books in DocBook, such as "Linux Pocket > Guide." For editing, I used Emacs and the commercial XML editor > XMLmind. The same DocBook source produced the printed book, the PDF, > and the eBook. Sure, but that's technical

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-12 Thread Daniel Barrett
On December 12, 2017, Steve Litt wrote: >Everybody and their dog mentions Docbook as the solution to write-once, >read-everywhere, but finding people actually using it productively for >that purpose is extremely difficult. I've written several O'Reilly books in DocBook, such as "Linux Pocket Guide

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-12 Thread Theodore Ruegsegger
And Richard Pieri piles on with Pandoc. And John Abreau's observations on "tweaking" vs. true formatting. What a great thread! It's been a while since I learned so much about something I care about in such a short time. Thanks to all for the valuable pointers and insights! Theo Ruegsegger On Tue,

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-12 Thread Theodore Ruegsegger
Thanks to Steve Litt for that clear and comprehensive reply to my questions, and the comforting assurance that I'm not the only one balking at the DocBook learning curve. I've long wondered what happened to the "write-once, read-everywhere" movement, and I'm delighted to read on the Stylz website

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-12 Thread Julian Daich
2017-12-05 2:25 GMT+01:00 Nancy Allison : > Hello, all. > > I am using Ubuntu 16.04 and LibreOffice 5.1.6.2. > > I've been sent a .docx file with a fairly complex layout, and the layout is > trashed immediately upon opening in LibreOffice. I know from past > experience that docx files that I've mod

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-12 Thread Richard Pieri
On 12/12/2017 6:49 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > The mini-markup languages fail hard when writing whole books in which > consistency is a must, and specific style to appearance conversions are > needed. This is because you can't create your own arbitrary paragraph > and character styles in the mini-marku

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:43:13 -0500 Theodore Ruegsegger wrote: > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > [Rationale for separating document content from presentation, as > > embodied in Stylz] > > Isn't this the raison-d'etre for DocBook? Yes. > > Last I looked, that seemed to

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-12 Thread Mike Small
Theodore Ruegsegger writes: > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Steve Litt wrote: >> [Rationale for separating document content from presentation, as embodied in >> Stylz] > > Isn't this the raison-d'etre for DocBook? > > Last I looked, that seemed to be working pretty well, though it was > diffi

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-12 Thread Theodore Ruegsegger
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > [Rationale for separating document content from presentation, as embodied in > Stylz] Isn't this the raison-d'etre for DocBook? Last I looked, that seemed to be working pretty well, though it was difficult to find tutorials that didn't lose me

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 16:46:21 + Mike Small wrote: > Nancy Allison writes: > > > Hello, all. > > > > I painfully conclude that I must install Word on my Ubuntu 16.04 > > machine. I need to be able to handle Word files consistently. > > > > So I opened Synaptic Package Manager and searched for

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-12 Thread Nancy Allison
Hi, Mike! I appreciate your point of view! The documents that I deal with come to me from outside sources, businesses whose software decisions I have no influence over --Nancy On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Mike Small wrote: > Nancy Allison writes: > > > Hello, all. > > > > I painful

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-12 Thread Mike Small
Nancy Allison writes: > Hello, all. > > I painfully conclude that I must install Word on my Ubuntu 16.04 machine. I > need to be able to handle Word files consistently. > > So I opened Synaptic Package Manager and searched for Microsoft Word. No > luck. > > What do I do? How do I get it installed

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-12 Thread Bill Horne
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Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-12 Thread Eric Chadbourne
Good suggestion Daniel. Functional and is the direction MS is moving. -Eric On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Daniel Barrett wrote: > On December 11, 2017, Nancy Allison wrote: >I painfully conclude that I must > install Word on my Ubuntu 16.04 machine. I >need to be able to handle Word > f

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-12 Thread Daniel Barrett
On December 11, 2017, Nancy Allison wrote: >I painfully conclude that I must install Word on my Ubuntu 16.04 machine. I >need to be able to handle Word files consistently. Culd you use MS Word Online for free and not install anything? https://products.office.com/en-us/office-online/documents-s

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files (Crossover 17)

2017-12-11 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 11:48 PM, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: > The other option is to run Office under Wine or CrossOver. (The latter > is a commercially supported non-free offshoot of Wine.) I haven't > tried it but it's supposed to work reasonably well, because that's one > of the software pa

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-11 Thread David Rosenstrauch
Correct. I bought myself a copy of Windows 7 to use specifically for this purpose. It is a bit annoying to have to do that, but it's not that expensive. (See https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416804) I'm not sure there's too many other practical options beyond that.

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-11 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
The other option is to run Office under Wine or CrossOver. (The latter is a commercially supported non-free offshoot of Wine.) I haven't tried it but it's supposed to work reasonably well, because that's one of the software packages that they concentrate on supporting. On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 11:3

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-11 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
The catch is licensing. The Windows license that came with your computer doesn't cover running it in a virtual machine. You'll have to buy a full retail license to do that legally. A Windows license really should cover running any number of virtual machines with Windows on the same computer, so lo

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-11 Thread Bill Horne
On 12/11/2017 10:05 PM, Nancy Allison wrote: Hello, all. I painfully conclude that I must install Word on my Ubuntu 16.04 machine. I need to be able to handle Word files consistently. So I opened Synaptic Package Manager and searched for Microsoft Word. No luck. What do I do? How do I get it i

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-11 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 12/11/2017 10:05 PM, Nancy Allison wrote: Hello, all. I painfully conclude that I must install Word on my Ubuntu 16.04 machine. I need to be able to handle Word files consistently. So I opened Synaptic Package Manager and searched for Microsoft Word. No luck. What do I do? How do I get it i

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-11 Thread Nancy Allison
Hello, all. I painfully conclude that I must install Word on my Ubuntu 16.04 machine. I need to be able to handle Word files consistently. So I opened Synaptic Package Manager and searched for Microsoft Word. No luck. What do I do? How do I get it installed? I know, it pains me! But I don't see

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-06 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Nancy Allison wrote: > Thanks, all. > > I appreciate the background information on why compatibility is not assured > or easy. I will upgrade to 5.4x when the time is right (when I have at > least one grizzled Linux veteran nearby to help out if the unexpected > occ

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-05 Thread Nancy Allison
Thanks, all. I appreciate the background information on why compatibility is not assured or easy. I will upgrade to 5.4x when the time is right (when I have at least one grizzled Linux veteran nearby to help out if the unexpected occurs) ... --Nancy On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Derek Martin

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-05 Thread John Abreau
Typically, if a Word-generated document gets its formatting trashed by opening it in something else, it's because it was never truly formatted to begin with; instead, the author most likely tweaked and poked at it haphazardly until it looked OK on his or her screen, in which case it would likely lo

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-05 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 08:25:45PM -0500, Nancy Allison wrote: > Is there a Word-compatible open source program that truly does not trash > the formatting? Or is it simply not possible to pass documents back and > forth between Word and an open source program like LibreOffice or > OpenOffice? I use

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-04 Thread Greg Rundlett (freephile)
But also, the version you're running is old, and unsupported. There's a 5.4.x release [1] and also a 6.x beta https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/ https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/?version=6.0.0 Greg Rundlett https://eQuality-Tech.com https://freephile.org On Mon, Dec 4, 2

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-04 Thread Richard Pieri
On 12/4/2017 8:43 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: > You would think that this poses problems of backwards compatibility with > older copies of Word, and you would be correct. Sometimes Word can't > open Word-generated files. There have been significant problems > with Word for Windows vs Word for MacOS. Als

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-04 Thread Nancy Allison
Darn, I was afraid of that. Thanks. On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: > On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 08:25:45PM -0500, Nancy Allison wrote: > > Hello, all. > > > > I am using Ubuntu 16.04 and LibreOffice 5.1.6.2. > > > > I've been sent a .docx file with a fairly complex layout, and th

Re: [Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-04 Thread Dan Ritter
On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 08:25:45PM -0500, Nancy Allison wrote: > Hello, all. > > I am using Ubuntu 16.04 and LibreOffice 5.1.6.2. > > I've been sent a .docx file with a fairly complex layout, and the layout is > trashed immediately upon opening in LibreOffice. I know from past > experience that d

[Discuss] LibreOffice and .docx files

2017-12-04 Thread Nancy Allison
Hello, all. I am using Ubuntu 16.04 and LibreOffice 5.1.6.2. I've been sent a .docx file with a fairly complex layout, and the layout is trashed immediately upon opening in LibreOffice. I know from past experience that docx files that I've modified in LibreOffice are, if possible, even nastier wh