[Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-08 Thread Derek Atkins
Hey all, I'm looking to replace some 1TB HDDs in a s/w RAID-10 array with some 2TB models. The existing drives have been running flawlessly for a few years, so they are due to get swapped out anyways. I did have one disk fail a year or so ago so it was swapped out, and I bought a cold spare at t

Re: [Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-08 Thread Dan Ritter
On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 11:17:11AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > Of course, when I bought the drives warranties were 3 or 5 years, not > the '1 or 2' years they are now. So I'm looking for the "best value" > 2TB drives available today -- lowest price for highest quality + good > warranty. It looks

Re: [Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-08 Thread Rich Pieri
Drives categorized for server use will typically have 3-5 year warranties. The 1-2 year warranties are for desktop drives. Server drives also cost more for little or no actual benefit other than the warranty. Because disks are consumables these days. Treat them like the tires of your car: somethin

Re: [Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-09 Thread Rich Braun
Dan Ritter suggested: > Seagate and WD both have drives rated for NAS duty at slight ($10-20) > premiums over the They get a better warranty, as well. > > for instance, > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148902 > is $130 rather than $110, for which you get a three year > wa

Re: [Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-09 Thread Derek Atkins
Rich Pieri writes: > Drives categorized for server use will typically have 3-5 year > warranties. The 1-2 year warranties are for desktop drives. Server > drives also cost more for little or no actual benefit other than the > warranty. > > Because disks are consumables these days. Treat them like

Re: [Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-09 Thread Chris Tyler
On Wed, 2013-01-09 at 11:19 -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > That is kind of the point, but I'm trying to find ones that *will* last > 3-4 years but wont break the bank today. > > I don't mind buying new drives periodically. But I'm trying to figure > out which ones to buy now. Kinda hard to buy a b

Re: [Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-10 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013, Dan Ritter wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 11:17:11AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: Of course, when I bought the drives warranties were 3 or 5 years, not the '1 or 2' years they are now. So I'm looking for the "best value" 2TB drives available today -- lowest price for highes

Re: [Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-10 Thread Dan Ritter
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 02:20:40PM -0500, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2013, Dan Ritter wrote: > > >On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 11:17:11AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > >>Of course, when I bought the drives warranties were 3 or 5 years, not > >>the '1 or 2' years they are now. So I'm l

Re: [Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-10 Thread Rich Pieri
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:32:35 -0500 Dan Ritter wrote: > I have an inordinately high failure rate with WD Green in the 1 and 2 > TB sizes. About 70% were replaced in their first year, about 50% have > been replaced a second time. All were in Linux boxes. My bet is that you have a "noisy" chassis.

Re: [Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-10 Thread Dan Ritter
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 03:43:07PM -0500, Rich Pieri wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:32:35 -0500 > Dan Ritter wrote: > > > I have an inordinately high failure rate with WD Green in the 1 and 2 > > TB sizes. About 70% were replaced in their first year, about 50% have > > been replaced a second tim

Re: [Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-10 Thread Rich Pieri
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:53:45 -0500 Dan Ritter wrote: > Possibly, but other disks have worked well and lasted to more > expected lifetimes, including Samsung, Seagate and WD Black. WD Greens don't suffer 70% failure rates after 1 year of service. That your handful did suggests that you have a sys

Re: [Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-10 Thread Dan Ritter
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 04:17:33PM -0500, Rich Pieri wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:53:45 -0500 > Dan Ritter wrote: > > > Possibly, but other disks have worked well and lasted to more > > expected lifetimes, including Samsung, Seagate and WD Black. > > WD Greens don't suffer 70% failure rates a

Re: [Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-10 Thread Rich Pieri
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:28:17 -0500 Dan Ritter wrote: > I do not recommend the purchase of WD Greens based on experience > with 10>n>20 disks that had a 70% early mortality in my servers > that was not evinced from other brands or makes of spinning > disks. I think you mean 10n>20" means you had

Re: [Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-10 Thread Rich Braun
Regarding my warranty-period encounter with a Seagate drive purchased this week from TigerDirect, I had remarkable exchange with customer service: From: ri...@pioneer.ci.net > Your website page for this product (Seagate 3TB drive) makes > a false claim. Please revise the manufacturer's warranty s

Re: [Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-10 Thread Tom Metro
Rich Braun wrote: >> Service & Support Details: Limited warranty - 2 years > > Well, that leaves me far more confused than before. Couldn't they have pulled > a carton of drives from inventory and /look/ at the the box label that I > reported? > > What would you do? I don't remember if Seagate

Re: [Discuss] The perpetual question: current "best" HDD?

2013-01-11 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 01/11/2013 12:06 AM, Rich Braun wrote: Well, that leaves me far more confused than before. Couldn't they have pulled a carton of drives from inventory and /look/ at the the box label that I reported? I don't even quite know how to respond to this, other than to forward it to the Attorney Gen