[Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-23 Thread markw
I think I've decided to move away from Ubuntu. Maybe I'm a dinosaur, but I'm not liking the changes. CentOS? OpenSuSE? Fedora? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-23 Thread Gregory Boyce
On Nov 23, 2011 4:41 PM, wrote: > > I think I've decided to move away from Ubuntu. Maybe I'm a dinosaur, but > I'm not liking the changes. > > CentOS? OpenSuSE? Fedora? > > Which changes? Gnome 3 well hit them all eventually, although THROw based distros like Centos or Scientific Linux should be

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-23 Thread Ricker, William
If I were going to have a '"Enterprise" Linux for desktop' at the office, I'd likely use a Fedora variant to match the RHEL/OEL/CENTOS on the servers. (As a numbers guy, likely Scientific would be my first choice. I can wish.) As long as I have Putty/Perl/Ack I'm happy. (though sometimes Humming

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-23 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 11/23/2011 04:44 PM, Gregory Boyce wrote: On Nov 23, 2011 4:41 PM, wrote: I think I've decided to move away from Ubuntu. Maybe I'm a dinosaur, but I'm not liking the changes. CentOS? OpenSuSE? Fedora? Which changes? Gnome 3 well hit them all eventually, although THROw based distros li

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-23 Thread John Abreau
For lightweight X11 on Windows, I personally prefer the free Mochasoft X11 server. It's only a basic X server component, as far as I've seen, but it plays well with PuTTY for doing X from ssh sessions. http://www.mochasoft.dk/freeware/x11.htm When you run Mocha, it just quietly starts up as a

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-23 Thread Richard Pieri
On Nov 23, 2011, at 6:09 PM, John Abreau wrote: > > For lightweight X11 on Windows, I personally prefer the free Mochasoft > X11 server. It's only a basic X server component, as far as I've seen, > but it plays well with PuTTY for doing X from ssh sessions. It also appears not to run at all on Wi

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-23 Thread John Abreau
Funny, I run it on Windows 7, and it works fine for me. On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: > On Nov 23, 2011, at 6:09 PM, John Abreau wrote: >> >> For lightweight X11 on Windows, I personally prefer the free Mochasoft >> X11 server. It's only a basic X server component, as fa

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-23 Thread Richard Pieri
On Nov 23, 2011, at 7:38 PM, John Abreau wrote: > > Funny, I run it on Windows 7, and it works fine for me. Huh. That's quite odd. It works on one of my Windows 7 boxes but not the other. I wonder what's causing the fault or conflict. Google isn't being helpful :P. --Rich P.

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-24 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of > > I think I've decided to move away from Ubuntu. Maybe I'm a dinosaur, but > I'm not liking the changes. > > CentOS? OpenSuSE? Fedora? Fedora. Or ... In ubuntu, at the login sc

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-24 Thread David Kramer
On 11/24/2011 08:02 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- >> bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of >> >> I think I've decided to move away from Ubuntu. Maybe I'm a dinosaur, but >> I'm not liking the changes. >> >> CentOS? OpenSuS

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-25 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of David Kramer > > But they didn't just change it; they removed functionality > with no way to get it back. They didn't design it so there are advanced > features that are turned off

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-25 Thread David Kramer
On 11/25/2011 07:46 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- >> bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of David Kramer >> >> But they didn't just change it; they removed functionality >> with no way to get it back. They didn't design it

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-26 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of David Kramer > > On 11/25/2011 07:46 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > >> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > >> bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Be

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-27 Thread markw
>> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- >> bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of David Kramer >> >> On 11/25/2011 07:46 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > But, I learned years ago when I started using slackware and I customized > my > desktop using some arcane wi

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-27 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: ma...@mohawksoft.com [mailto:ma...@mohawksoft.com] > > Changing existing paradigms is usually a bad > practice unless there is sufficient evidence a new paradigm is better. The same is true of everything that is being developed by anyone anywhere. Even if you invented a car that consumes

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-27 Thread David Kramer
On 11/27/2011 11:05 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > It's impossible to get everyone to agree that any new change is positive. > So those decisions are left to the people who have localized control over > whatever it is. Those people are driven by something - usually monetary - > and they're designi

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-27 Thread markw
>> From: ma...@mohawksoft.com [mailto:ma...@mohawksoft.com] >> >> Changing existing paradigms is usually a bad >> practice unless there is sufficient evidence a new paradigm is better. > > The same is true of everything that is being developed by anyone anywhere. > Even if you invented a car that c

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-27 Thread Richard Pieri
On Nov 27, 2011, at 11:28 AM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: > > Vista is an example of how a Monopoly even has to listen. It's interesting that you bring this up. I picked up a little netbook a few months ago and I tried several Linux distributions on it. Linux has offered me a choice of deskto

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-27 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 11/27/2011 11:28 AM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: From: ma...@mohawksoft.com [mailto:ma...@mohawksoft.com] Changing existing paradigms is usually a bad practice unless there is sufficient evidence a new paradigm is better. The same is true of everything that is being developed by anyone anyw

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-27 Thread Bill Cattey
Just to show that every argument is more complicated than you think: The primary studies that showed that the Dvorak layout was better were done by the Office of Naval Research when it was under the direction of one John Dvorak. How do you spell conflict of interest? Another lesson to be learn

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-27 Thread markw
> On 11/27/2011 11:28 AM, ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: From: ma...@mohawksoft.com [mailto:ma...@mohawksoft.com] >> Think about the QWERTY keyboard. The Dvorák proponents made their case >> and >> lost. QWERTY is no better or worse than Dvorák and thus, the prevailing >> paradigm won. Rightly s

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-27 Thread Dan Ritter
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:26:16AM -0500, David Kramer wrote: > For instance, the ability to display the names of apps by the icons > (turned off by default) wouldn't have any negative effect, other than > more quickly pointing out how insufficient "trying to shove every app > onto one launcher and

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-27 Thread Derek Martin
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 09:00:18AM -0500, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > In any OS, it's best not to get deeply entrenched into what you're > calling "advanced" features of the UI. I'm going to call them > details. Whether it's linux, mac, windows, solaris or anything, all > this stuff is prone to ch

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-27 Thread John Abreau
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > [] even if you were abolishing slavery, > or promoting voting rights for women or african americans in the U.S. a few > decades ago, people who are entrenched in the existing paradigm will oppose > your invention, and you might end

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-28 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: John Abreau [mailto:abre...@gmail.com] > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Edward Ned Harvey > wrote: > > > [] even if you were abolishing slavery, > > or promoting voting rights for women or african americans in the U.S. a few > > decades ago, people who are entrenched in the exis

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-30 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 11/27/2011 05:56 PM, John Abreau wrote: I didn't realize that my preference for focus-follows-mouse... FYI, I just figured out how to use focus-follows-mouse in gnome-shell. Install 'gnome-tweak-tool' and select "Windows", then "Window focus mode". Why all this stuff has to be buried in o

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-30 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:05:34AM -0500, Matthew Gillen wrote: > On 11/27/2011 05:56 PM, John Abreau wrote: > >I didn't realize that my preference for focus-follows-mouse... > > FYI, I just figured out how to use focus-follows-mouse in > gnome-shell. Install 'gnome-tweak-tool' and select "Windows

Re: [Discuss] an "Enterprise" Linux for desktop

2011-11-30 Thread Richard Pieri
On Nov 30, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Matthew Gillen wrote: > > Why all this stuff has to be buried in obscure apps separate from the > "Settings" app is beyond me... Because the core GNOME developers don't like it and refuse to include it in GNOME proper. --Rich P. __