On 03/04/2013 04:20 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
On 03/03/2013 05:35 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
On 03/03/2013 04:22 PM, Matthew Gillen wrote:
On 3/3/2013 11:28 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
On my gnome3 activities screen I have 2 icons that are dead.(eg. mouse
to top left, then click on all applications)
On 03/03/2013 05:35 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
On 03/03/2013 04:22 PM, Matthew Gillen wrote:
On 3/3/2013 11:28 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
On my gnome3 activities screen I have 2 icons that are dead.(eg. mouse
to top left, then click on all applications)
One icon is blank and the other specifices th
On 03/03/2013 04:22 PM, Matthew Gillen wrote:
On 3/3/2013 11:28 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
On my gnome3 activities screen I have 2 icons that are dead.(eg. mouse
to top left, then click on all applications)
One icon is blank and the other specifices the application but does not
point anywhere. I'd
On 3/3/2013 11:28 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> On my gnome3 activities screen I have 2 icons that are dead.(eg. mouse
> to top left, then click on all applications)
> One icon is blank and the other specifices the application but does not
> point anywhere. I'd like to be able to remove one of the ico
On my gnome3 activities screen I have 2 icons that are dead.(eg. mouse
to top left, then click on all applications)
One icon is blank and the other specifices the application but does not
point anywhere. I'd like to be able to remove one of the icons and edit
the other. (I can probably fix the o
butors like Red Hat are on board with Gnome 3.
> Maybe the problem is that the changes were slow - spread out over 5+
> years - so there was no pronounced inflection point to push developers
> in mass to a single forked project.
More like 13+ years. How long has it taken for the window
John Abreau wrote:
> This blog post sheds some interesting light on some of the issues many of
> us have been having with gnome 3.
>
> http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/
One of the key points made in this posting was how the GNOME develop
Rich Pieri wrote:
> Because those folks all abandoned Gnome between 1999 and 2005. Then the
> core developers who didn't like Gnome ThreePointZero's radical
> philosophy left circa 2005-06 when development started in earnest.
> There's nobody left at Gnome Central who doesn't agree with what
> they
On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 21:25:10 -0500
Tom Metro wrote:
> needed. Boiling down to an "us vs. them" approach. "You have to decide
> if you want to be a GNOME application or not." So much for the open
> desktop standard.
Gnome has never been compliant with any open desktop standard.
> If their appr
John Abreau wrote:
> This blog post sheds some interesting light on some of the issues many of
> us have been having with gnome 3.
>
> http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/
To sum up, this lengthly blog posting (by, I believe, a developer of an
appl
On 01/16/2013 12:07 PM, John Abreau wrote:
I just installed a bunch of options on my F17 desktop to try out.
Mate looked promising; it would have been my preferred choice, except that
it turns out focus-follows-mouse is broken. I have it set to "sloppy", and
it works fine in Gnome Shell, Cinna
I just installed a bunch of options on my F17 desktop to try out.
Mate looked promising; it would have been my preferred choice, except that
it turns out focus-follows-mouse is broken. I have it set to "sloppy", and
it works fine in Gnome Shell, Cinnamon, LXDE, and XFCE, but not in Mate.
I found
Rich Pieri writes:
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 03:49:16 -0500
> John Abreau wrote:
>
>> The example that appears in my link was about "Transmission".
>
> My quip about one button that doesn't do anything was supposed to be a
> joke, not prophecy. This Gnome BS is enough to make me want to dump
> moder
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:31:05 -0500
Dan Ritter wrote:
> I would point to XFCE as the modern desktop successor to such
> things... although one of my folks has an attachment to fvwm.
I'm well aware of what XFCE is. I've been using inside xvnc, et.al., on
my servers for some time, now. Apparently m
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 08:22:05AM -0500, Rich Pieri wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 03:49:16 -0500
> John Abreau wrote:
>
> > The example that appears in my link was about "Transmission".
>
> My quip about one button that doesn't do anything was supposed to be a
> joke, not prophecy. This Gnome BS
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 03:49:16 -0500
John Abreau wrote:
> The example that appears in my link was about "Transmission".
My quip about one button that doesn't do anything was supposed to be a
joke, not prophecy. This Gnome BS is enough to make me want to dump
modern desktops entirely and dig up my
Speaking of XFCE, I believe the link I posted gives some details about
another part of this that I commented on at the Brewery last month. A lot
of people are ditching Gnome 3 and moving to XFCE due to Gnome 3 removing
important features, and apparently the Gnome 3 folks are pressuring
developers
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 03:18:42AM -0500, John Abreau wrote:
> This blog post sheds some interesting light on some of the issues many of
> us have been having withj gnome 3.
>
>
> http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/
You might also enjoy
On Wednesday, January 9, 2013, John Abreau wrote:
> This blog post sheds some interesting light on some of the issues many of
> us have been having withj gnome 3.
>
>
Wow. This explains a lot. Like why Netbeans was broken in Gnome 3 and
Cinnamon, reported fixed, and in my experience
I couldn't have said it better myself!
I have been sorely provoked by the dogma of a GNOME development community
hell-bent on defending its ignorance of usability and imposing it on a
community that originally embraced GNOME for its open mindedness, and high
level of functionality.
-Bill
On J
Gnome 4: a beautiful, consistent UI with a single button that doesn't
do anything.
--
Rich P.
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This blog post sheds some interesting light on some of the issues many of
us have been having withj gnome 3.
http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/
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Yesterday I installed Gnome 3.2 shell 3 extensions, and somehow LG
disappeared. Note that lg is Looking Glass, the Gnome 3 debugger. Using
the dconf-editor, I was able to get it back. But, I don't think that
most of us know of its existence, or how to execute it.
Under Gnome 3, press alt-F2,
Based on comments here, I gave "Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment",
lxde.org a try. I don't have to learn a whole new set of tricks to get
things done. Glad I listened to someone here :-)
Doug
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It's not as flashy but I'm enjoying xubuntu. I do not find unity or gnome 3
easier to use. You may want to try out Xfce.
- Eric
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On 09/11/2011 02:06 AM, Steven Morth wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-09-10 at 22:04 -0400, Chris O'Connell wrote:
>> I find myself really trying to like Gnome 3 and Unity, but am having a
tough
>> time.
>>
>> Unity seems so bugg
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On 09/10/2011 10:04 PM, Chris O'Connell wrote:
> I find myself really trying to like Gnome 3 and Unity, but am having a
tough
> time.
>
> Unity seems so buggy and flakey. Aside from strange Unity behavior, I am
> just not fond
On Sat, 2011-09-10 at 22:04 -0400, Chris O'Connell wrote:
> I find myself really trying to like Gnome 3 and Unity, but am having a tough
> time.
>
> Unity seems so buggy and flakey. Aside from strange Unity behavior, I am
> just not fond of the interface. I have high
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:04:47PM -0400, Chris O'Connell wrote:
> I'm at the point now where I'm willing to invest a small
> amount of money in getting Gone 3 to work correctly.
>
> Can anyone recommend a specific graphics card that can be used to properly
> ru
I find myself really trying to like Gnome 3 and Unity, but am having a tough
time.
Unity seems so buggy and flakey. Aside from strange Unity behavior, I am
just not fond of the interface. I have higher hopes for Gnome 3.
Unfortunately I've yet to get Gnome 3 to work with ANY of the gra
I noticed on the user's menu on Fedora 15/Gnome 3 there are options
Available
Busy
My Account
System Settings
Lock Screen
Switch User
Suspend
--
But there is no shutdown or restart. I certainly can go to the command
line. Most of the time I just close the cover suspending, but if
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Tom Metro wrote:
> David Kramer wrote:
> > Having a configuration setting in an advanced tab somewhere to turn on
> > showing the names/icons/both in app links does NOT make anything harder
> > for the beginners, and enables the power user.
>
> OK. I'm not opposed
On Apr 26, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Tom Metro wrote:
>
> This is a group of developers, which by definition are power users, and
> presumably are living with GNOME 3. Certainly they've anticipated a
> desire to retain legacy behavior. It's not like you can upgrade to GNOME
>
hich by definition are power users, and
presumably are living with GNOME 3. Certainly they've anticipated a
desire to retain legacy behavior. It's not like you can upgrade to GNOME
3, but keep running the GNOME 2 shell on top. So what transition plan do
they have in mind?
> If they don&
think this philosophy is lost on many developers and the management that
> guides them.
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Ben Eisenbraun wrote:
>
>> I think what was most interesting to me about the direction GNOME 3 took is
>> that someone still believes in the possibi
On Apr 26, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
>
> I think your last sentence might hit the nail on the head.
> But, I think we, in the Linux community, have some interesting issues.
I disagree. I don't see this as a problem. Rather, I see this as the excuse
used to avoid addressing the pr
uides them.
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Ben Eisenbraun wrote:
>
> I think what was most interesting to me about the direction GNOME 3 took is
> that someone still believes in the possibility of mainstream use of Linux
> on the desktop!
>
> The CEO of Red Hat basically said
I think what was most interesting to me about the direction GNOME 3 took is
that someone still believes in the possibility of mainstream use of Linux
on the desktop!
The CEO of Red Hat basically said that the "linux desktop" market was not a
goal for them, and yet we had two Red Hat
. Moving customization options
> to an advanced settings tab or pane is good. Taking those options away
> entirely is bad, yet that was the touted "improvement" going from GNOME 1 to
> GNOME 2: everything is simpler. No, not simpler. Dumbed down. Not the same
> t
is bad, yet that was the touted "improvement" going from GNOME 1 to GNOME 2:
everything is simpler. No, not simpler. Dumbed down. Not the same thing.
From the sound of it, GNOME 2 to GNOME 3 is even more dumbing down. I'm not
trying to be an Apple fanboy here, but look at Apple&#
limit. They
understand and acknowledge it, but won't fix it.
>> ...how am I going to be able to tell these programs apart if I can't
>> see their names?
>
> There seemed to be some misunderstanding over the UI elements.
>
> If you're familiar with GNOME 2, then the
On 04/25/2011 06:26 PM, omegah...@gmail.com wrote:
> I kind of agree that we shouldn't need 4 applications to work our
ipods. This is always something that has driven me nuts about Linux. My
problem with the gnome 3 presentation is that while the developers
"don't think pe
I kind of agree that we shouldn't need 4 applications to work our ipods. This
is always something that has driven me nuts about Linux. My problem with the
gnome 3 presentation is that while the developers "don't think people should
need 4 applications to work their ip
If you're familiar with GNOME 2, then the bar on the left side is a
combination of the Window List and Application Launcher applets (or in
(pre-7) Window terms, task bar and quick launch icons). I don't know
what GNOME 3 calls this, but dock bar seems to be the common term for
this com
On 04/25/2011 11:19 AM, Rob Hasselbaum wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 1:24 AM, David Kramer wrote:
>
>> Of course this leaves me in a quandary, because I gave up KDE when 4
>> came out and the whole UI was turned into an array of candy-like icons
>> all nearly identical.
>>
>>
> As a KDE 3.5 use
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 1:24 AM, David Kramer wrote:
>
> Of course this leaves me in a quandary, because I gave up KDE when 4
> came out and the whole UI was turned into an array of candy-like icons
> all nearly identical.
>
>
As a KDE 3.5 user who took a reluctant sabbatical to GNOME when KDE 4.
On 04/22/2011 11:42 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> Since Gnome 3 has been released, it was one of the topics in last
> Wednesday's BLU meeting, and will be in the next releases of OpenSuSe
> 11.4, Fedora 15, Ubuntu 11.04**, I'd like to start a discussion on Gnome
> 3. I don'
On Apr 22, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> Since Gnome 3 has been released, it was one of the topics in last
> Wednesday's BLU meeting, and will be in the next releases of OpenSuSe
> 11.4, Fedora 15, Ubuntu 11.04**, I'd like to start a discussion on Gnome
> 3. I
2011 at 2:59 PM, Martin Owens wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 11:42 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > ** Ubuntu 11.04 will be using the underlying infrastructure of Gnome
> > 3,
> > but will be using Unity instead of the Gnome Shell.
>
> Of eve
On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 11:42 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> ** Ubuntu 11.04 will be using the underlying infrastructure of Gnome
> 3,
> but will be using Unity instead of the Gnome Shell.
Of even gnome shell when using the Natty Gnome3 ppa
Since Gnome 3 has been released, it was one of the topics in last
Wednesday's BLU meeting, and will be in the next releases of OpenSuSe
11.4, Fedora 15, Ubuntu 11.04**, I'd like to start a discussion on Gnome
3. I don't want a Gnome vs. KDE war, just a somewhat intelligent
discus
Jerry,
I saw your announcement about the discount at the meeting on the Genesi
Efika MX Smarttop. Anyone have one of these already? I thought for a minute
you were talking about a Smartbook!! Still 25% off is darn good. Specs
look good except for 512MB memory would constrain it to server use ra
When: April 20, 2011 7PM (6:30PM for Q&A)
Topics: Nagios, Gnome 3, Genesi's Efika MX Smarttop
Moderators: Chris O'Connell - Nagios
Brian DeLacey - Genesi's Efika MX Smarttop
Owen Taylor, Principal Software Engineer, Red Hat Software and
Jon McCann, Senio
On Apr 15, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Tom Metro wrote:
>
> You would attach the drives via the 2 USB 2.0 ports?
That's the idea.
> If it had a few port-multiplier compatible eSATA ports that you could
> wire to an external drive cage, and GB Ethernet, then it would make for
> a decent NAS controller. Oth
Doug wrote:
> How might people in Blu use the Genesi's Efika MX Smarttop on a home
> network?
Product specs are here:
http://www.genesi-usa.com/products/efika
which includes:
* Freescale i.MX515 (ARM Cortex-A8 800MHz)
* 3D Graphics Processing Unit
* WXGA display support (HDMI)
* M
On Apr 15, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Doug wrote:
>
> How might people in Blu use the Genesi's Efika MX Smarttop on a home
> network? I always power down all my boxes when not at home. When I do
> boot up, I have a bigger box with a screen and keyboard.
I'm thinking about getting one to replace the two G
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:35:05AM -0400, Doug wrote:
> How might people in Blu use the Genesi's Efika MX Smarttop on a home
> network? I always power down all my boxes when not at home. When I do
> boot up, I have a bigger box with a screen and keyboard.
If the video decoder worked, it might be a
How might people in Blu use the Genesi's Efika MX Smarttop on a home
network? I always power down all my boxes when not at home. When I do
boot up, I have a bigger box with a screen and keyboard.
Doug
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When: April 20, 2011 7PM (6:30PM for Q&A)
Topics: Nagios, Gnome 3, Genesi's Efika MX Smarttop
Moderators: Chris O'Connell - Nagios
Brian DeLacey - Genesi's Efika MX Smarttop
Owen Taylor, Principal Software Engineer, Red Hat Software and
Jon McCann, Senio
On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 03:45:07PM -0400, Rob Hasselbaum wrote:
> Anyone tried it and have an opinion? Reviews seem mixed. I'm a KDE guy
> myself, but I'll probably install it somewhere to see what the devs have
> been up to all this time.
I've been playing with it on and off for the last few mont
I've heard some negative and positive things. Looking forward the the
upcoming meeting.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Rob Hasselbaum wrote:
> Anyone tried it and have an opinion? Reviews seem mixed. I'm a KDE guy
> myself, but I'll probably install it somewhere to see what the devs have
> been
Anyone tried it and have an opinion? Reviews seem mixed. I'm a KDE guy
myself, but I'll probably install it somewhere to see what the devs have
been up to all this time.
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