[tdf-discuss] Two moderator questions

2010-10-15 Thread James Wilde
Is it possible to add an indication that a message has been passed by the moderators to the subject line, or as a secondary header in the message itself? This way those answering the OP will know that they need to add his/her personal address to the reply. Additionally, the OP will know that

[tdf-discuss] Oracle sends belated birthday wishes

2010-10-15 Thread Jon Hamkins
For those not on the ooo-announce, mailing list, I am forwarding this message just posted by Louis Suarez-Potts, who is the Community Development Manager for OOo, employed by Oracle. First, I find it telling that Oracle's happy anniversary message about the open sourcing of StarOffice was a

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 10/14/2010 03:03 PM, Mirek M. wrote: Hi everyone, Since it seems like LibreOffice won't adopt the UI Oracle's preparing for OOo, I'm starting a massive LibreOffice UI proposal series. Here's the intro: http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/citrus-ui/ Given the prevalence of wide screen

Re: [tdf-discuss] Wiki/Language Teams

2010-10-15 Thread Erich Christian
Sorry, wrong list... Am 15.10.2010 09:26, schrieb Erich Christian: Hi * Hier fehlt noch unser AP, bin aber nicht sicher wen einzutragen... André? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_Teams Am besten selber tun ;-) Grüße Erich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Wiki/Language Teams

2010-10-15 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, Hier fehlt noch unser AP, bin aber nicht sicher wen einzutragen... André? Na ja - die Grobe Idee ist dort diejenigen einzutragen, die sich für die lokalen Communities zuständig fühlen , d.h. am ehesten die bisherigen Co-Leads. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_Teams Am

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 16:29, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: Please keep in mind that a lot of people do not want the user interface to change too much. One reason they love OOo is that its UI is like the older versions of MSO (2003 and before). I get mail all the time

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Jon, 2010/10/15 Jon Hamkins hamk...@alumni.caltech.edu On 10/14/2010 03:03 PM, Mirek M. wrote: Hi everyone, Since it seems like LibreOffice won't adopt the UI Oracle's preparing for OOo, I'm starting a massive LibreOffice UI proposal series. Here's the intro:

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Sveinn í Felli
Þann fös 15.okt 2010 08:29, skrifaði Jean Hollis Weber: On Fri, 2010-10-15, David Nelson wrote: IMHO, LibO needs something that is quite new and a bold departure... Please keep in mind that a lot of people do not want the user interface to change too much. One reason they love OOo is that

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) 2010/10/15 Jon Hamkins hamk...@alumni.caltech.edu The main reason why most toolbars aren't vertical is because most languages read horizontally, and therefore it makes most sense to put text horizontally, not vertically, to make it simple to read. Icon-only toolbars, like the Insert

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) One thing missing from LibO is the ability to split one window showing 2 / 3 / X different docs... I spend a lot of time proofreading and comparing docs... David Nelson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Sveinn 2010/10/15 Sveinn í Felli svei...@nett.is Þann fös 15.okt 2010 08:29, skrifaði Jean Hollis Weber: On Fri, 2010-10-15, David Nelson wrote: IMHO, LibO needs something that is quite new and a bold departure... Please keep in mind that a lot of people do not want the user

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Jean Weber
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi, :-) One thing missing from LibO is the ability to split one window showing 2 / 3 / X different docs... I spend a lot of time proofreading and comparing docs... Although you can't put up two documents in one window, you can

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Sveinn í Felli
Þann fös 15.okt 2010 09:07, skrifaði Jean Weber: On Fri, Oct 15, 2010, David Nelsoncomme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi, :-) One thing missing from LibO is the ability to split one window showing 2 / 3 / X different docs... I spend a lot of time proofreading and comparing docs... Although you

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:07, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see any advantage of one window with multiple docs, though I'll admit it's been many years since I used a program that did that so I may be missing something. What *is* the advantage from your POV? 2

Re: [tdf-discuss] Two moderator questions

2010-10-15 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi James, James Wilde wrote on 2010-10-15 08.18: Is it possible to add an indication that a message has been passed by the moderators to the subject line, or as a secondary header in the message itself? This way those answering the OP will know that they need to add his/her personal address

Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenSuSE and Libò

2010-10-15 Thread Petr Mladek
Carlo Strata píše v Čt 14. 10. 2010 v 19:32 +0200: Il 14/10/2010 18:39, Petr Mladek ha scritto: Carlo Strata píše v Čt 14. 10. 2010 v 17:52 +0200: Il 14/10/2010 12:12, Petr Mladek ha scritto: But after install on my OpenSuSE 11.2 x86-64, I got this message: ca...@carlobook:~

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-14 6:03 PM, Mirek M. wrote: Since it seems like LibreOffice won't adopt the UI Oracle's preparing for OOo, This is the first I've heard of this... do you have a link to details? -- Best regards, Charles -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-15 4:29 AM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: Please keep in mind that a lot of people do not want the user interface to change too much. One reason they love OOo is that its UI is like the older versions of MSO (2003 and before). I get mail all the time from people saying please tell me

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-15 3:11 AM, Jon Hamkins wrote: Given the prevalence of wide screen displays, I always wondered why the tool bars are often placed on the top and bottom. It's seems more logical to place them on the left or right, where there is more space. Agree, but a choice would be best...

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-15 4:41 AM, Mirek M. wrote: The main reason why most toolbars aren't vertical is because most languages read horizontally, and therefore it makes most sense to put text horizontally, not vertically, to make it simple to read. Make buttons the way Firefox/Thunderbird do - text label

Re: [tdf-discuss] Two moderator questions

2010-10-15 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-15 2:18 AM, James Wilde wrote: Is it possible to add an indication that a message has been passed by the moderators to the subject line, or as a secondary header in the message itself? This way those answering the OP will know that they need to add his/her personal address to the

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 19:58, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: On 2010-10-15 5:20 AM, David Nelson wrote: 2 different windows equals 2 duplicate sets of controls and possibly lots of screen clutter. Also, you have to move/resize 2 independent windows although they are,

[tdf-discuss] Paste Special - Text Only

2010-10-15 Thread Greg Collver
I'd like to bring up the old issue of paste special, text only. This was never fixed in OOo, but it has been a one of my main annoyances with day to day use. Perhaps add a configuration option to change the behavior of paste special or add a new paste text only menu option.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey|Opinion - LibreOffice Install and Update

2010-10-15 Thread RGB ES
2010/10/15 Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com: I haven't used an RPM based distro in a really long time, but I'm curious - when you add a 3rd party repo like this, does the package manager still handle all of the dependencies correctly with respect to the rest of the system and the other

Re: [tdf-discuss] Paste Special - Text Only

2010-10-15 Thread RGB ES
2010/10/15 Greg Collver greg.coll...@gmail.com: I'd like to bring up the old issue of paste special, text only. This was never fixed in OOo, but it has been a one of my main annoyances with day to day use. Perhaps add a configuration option to change the behavior of paste special or add a new

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-15 8:12 AM, David Nelson wrote: No, we were talking about having multiple (or at least 2) docs open in different panes within the same window, rather like MS Word's (2010) proofreading mode... Oh right, tabbed docs are still viewed separately/individually... never mind... -- Best

Re: [tdf-discuss] Two moderator questions

2010-10-15 Thread James Wilde
On Oct 15, 2010, at 13:43 , Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-10-15 2:18 AM, James Wilde wrote: Is it possible to add an indication that a message has been passed by the moderators to the subject line, or as a secondary header in the message itself? This way those answering the OP will know

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-14 18:03, Mirek M. acrit:Hi everyone, Since it seems like LibreOffice won't adopt the UI Oracle's preparing for OOo, I'm starting a massive LibreOffice UI proposal series. Here's the intro:http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/citrus-ui/Hello,I wonder what is the interest of

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-15 05:22, SveinnFelli acrit:This is how it used to be some time ago in MSO (and I think OOo): multiple documents tiled/cascading inside one program window, with *one set of toolbars and menus* - thus maximizing screen estate.Can be confusing if the theme does not distinguish

Re: [tdf-discuss] Installing LibreOffice Extensions

2010-10-15 Thread Eric Hoch
Hi, Am Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:08:10 -0300 schrieb Gustavo Pacheco: Hi! This is an important question... IMHO, many of these extensions are unuseful for the most users (like MySQL Connector or Wiki Publisher, for example). While they may be of no use for you it doesn't mean that they are for

Re: [tdf-discuss] Two moderator questions

2010-10-15 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi James, * James Wilde schrieb: Is it possible to add an indication that a message has been passed by the moderators to the subject line, or as a secondary header in the message itself? This way those answering the OP will know that they need to add his/her personal address to the reply.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Two moderator questions

2010-10-15 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-15 9:58 AM, James Wilde wrote: On Oct 15, 2010, at 13:43 , Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-10-15 2:18 AM, James Wilde wrote: Is it possible to add an indication that a message has been passed by the moderators to the subject line, or as a secondary header in the message itself? This

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Charles Marcus
Michel, Fyi, your post is extremely difficult to read due to poor formatting (no line-wrapping and more importantly no paragraph breaks). Charles On 2010-10-15 10:03 AM, Michel Gagnon wrote: Le 2010-10-14 18:03, Mirek M. acrit:Hi everyone, Since it seems like LibreOffice won't adopt the UI

Re: [tdf-discuss] Installing LibreOffice Extensions

2010-10-15 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-15 12:30, Eric Hoch a écrit : Wouldn't it be better to allow the user to select which extensions [s]he wants to install, adding a special [warning] note to ones that require JRE? For the end-user I favor this too but companies may want a vanilla OOo without any extensions or the

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-15 03:11, Jon Hamkins a écrit : On 10/14/2010 03:03 PM, Mirek M. wrote: Hi everyone, Since it seems like LibreOffice won't adopt the UI Oracle's preparing for OOo, I'm starting a massive LibreOffice UI proposal series. Here's the intro:

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Graham Lauder
On Saturday 16 Oct 2010 06:29:06 Michel Gagnon wrote: Le 2010-10-15 13:00, Charles Marcus a écrit : Michel, Fyi, your post is extremely difficult to read due to poor formatting (no line-wrapping and more importantly no paragraph breaks). I will try to find the source of the problem

Re: [tdf-discuss] Two moderator questions

2010-10-15 Thread Cor Nouws
Bernhard Dippold wrote (15-10-10 18:52) What seems to be necessary is describing the OP how a mailing list and a volunteer community works. That's what I do on the OOo lists I'm moderator (art and branding) by a direct (standardized) mail to the OP [1]. I think it is (nearly?) as important as

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 10/15/2010 11:25 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-15 03:11, Jon Hamkins a écrit : On 10/14/2010 03:03 PM, Mirek M. wrote: Hi everyone, Since it seems like LibreOffice won't adopt the UI Oracle's preparing for OOo, I'm starting a massive LibreOffice UI proposal series. Here's the intro:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Two moderator questions

2010-10-15 Thread Andy Brown
On Fri Oct 15 2010 09:52:29 GMT-0700 (PDT) Bernhard Dippold wrote: Even if this would be possible, the unsubscribed user will not get replies from people posting to the list only for accident or because they reply to an answer by a subscribed poster. The Moderated tag would let those that

Re: [tdf-discuss] Installing LibreOffice Extensions

2010-10-15 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-15 14:29, Steven Shelton a écrit : Can the solution be as simple as including the ten or so most popular extensions in the package (license-permitting, of course) with an option at the installation to select the ones you want? Adobe does this (or, they used to) with Illustrator. It

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-15 14:43, Jon Hamkins a écrit : On 10/15/2010 11:25 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-15 03:11, Jon Hamkins a écrit : On 10/14/2010 03:03 PM, Mirek M. wrote: Hi everyone, Since it seems like LibreOffice won't adopt the UI Oracle's preparing for OOo, I'm starting a massive LibreOffice

Re: [tdf-discuss] Two moderator questions

2010-10-15 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/15/2010 11:58 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-10-15 9:58 AM, James Wilde wrote: On Oct 15, 2010, at 13:43 , Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-10-15 2:18 AM, James Wilde wrote: Is it possible to add an indication that a message has been passed by the moderators to the subject line, or as

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Mirek M.
First post detailing a specific feature -- the menu: http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/15/the-citrus-menu/ 2010/10/15 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Le 2010-10-15 14:43, Jon Hamkins a écrit : On 10/15/2010 11:25 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-15 03:11, Jon Hamkins a écrit : On

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Michel, 2010/10/15 Michel Gagnon mic...@mgagnon.net Hello, I wonder what is the interest of Microsoft and others, including you, to replace menus with a ribbon-like interface. I think it brings the worst in terms of usability. Why?We have grown to use a certain menu organization. File,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Please embed dictionaries in Danish lang-pack and install

2010-10-15 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Andras Timar wrote: Inclusion of dictionaries in the langpacks is a different problem. Linux builds do not include dictionaries, because they use dictionaries from the system. Strange. Language packs in OpenOffice.org (including those for Linux-based systems) do include dictionary, thesaurus

Re: [tdf-discuss] Please embed dictionaries in Danish lang-pack and install

2010-10-15 Thread Andras Timar
2010/10/15 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@openoffice.org: Andras Timar wrote: Inclusion of dictionaries in the langpacks is a different problem. Linux builds do not include dictionaries, because they use dictionaries from the system. Strange. Language packs in OpenOffice.org (including those for

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-15 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Barbara, Barbara Duprey schrieb: [...] [Bernhard, I'm not sure you actually saw my post == it's all snipped here. But I think it's pertinent to some of your points.] I did - but as I only replied to the main point (in my eyes), I removed the other parts to increase readability. You

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-15 14:38, Graham Lauder a écrit : O Just use plain text in your email client, switch off the HTML Or use another email client like Thunderbird. Pegasus can be problematic Cheers GL Here is a resend of the message I sent earlier this morning. I am using Thunderbird, just like

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-15 16:29, Mirek M. a écrit : Hi Michel, That gives me a lot to respond to -- I'll try to be as concise as possible. a) Why the change in menu categorization? Because the old one wasn't good enough. File contained tools that applied to both the currently-opened file and to the office

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) It's been an interesting thread. I read Mirek's blog posts: http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/citrus-ui/ http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/15/the-citrus-menu/ I also read the Rennaissance FAQ: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance/FAQ#Official_Statements