Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-20 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Ben, Benjamin Horst wrote on 2011-02-18 14.18: I think IndieGoGo would work.http://www.indiegogo.com/ However, the existing donation pages are clearly achieving their purpose already, so there may be no need for an additional platform and its overhead costs. indeed, although - quite natu

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-18 Thread Benjamin Horst
On Feb 18, 2011, at 6:37 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi folks, > > Benjamin Horst wrote on 2011-02-08 19.58: >> My suggestion was to use a personal account to collect and then disburse the >> income, which would probably trigger income tax, as BRM mentioned in his >> response. (I don't kn

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-18 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi folks, Benjamin Horst wrote on 2011-02-08 19.58: My suggestion was to use a personal account to collect and then disburse the income, which would probably trigger income tax, as BRM mentioned in his response. (I don't know with any certainty, though.) Another platform like Kickstarter isht

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-12 Thread Florian Effenberger
He is on this list ;) Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-02-11 10.21: I wont do anything on behalf of the TDF, but i will do it on behalf of my campus student union lol. feel free to have him contact me on this email address. -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The D

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-11 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 02/11/2011 10:19 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-02-11 07.45: On the EU level. maybe you should connect to Ian, who also has insight on this topic. The only important thing is that you don't do anything on behalf of TDF, because any action might cause c

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-11 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-02-11 07.45: On the EU level. maybe you should connect to Ian, who also has insight on this topic. The only important thing is that you don't do anything on behalf of TDF, because any action might cause consequences right now :-) Getting solely informatio

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-10 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On the EU level. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-10 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-02-09 09.53: Florian what i meant was what process would TDF need to take to get funding as an NGO on the EU level, or about what exactly are you talking? Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-10 Thread Ian Lynch
On 9 February 2011 18:44, toki wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/08/2011 04:36 PM, BRM wrote: > > > Why resort to deception and Microsoft-esque tactics to promote LO? > > FWIW, it isn't uncommon for 501(c)3 organizations to have a for-profit > organization operati

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-09 Thread BRM
- Original Message > From: toki > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > On 02/08/2011 04:36 PM, BRM wrote: > > Why resort to deception and Microsoft-esque tactics to promote LO? > > FWIW, it isn't uncommon for 501(c)3 organizations to have a for-profit > organization operating "at an

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-09 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/08/2011 04:36 PM, BRM wrote: > Why resort to deception and Microsoft-esque tactics to promote LO? FWIW, it isn't uncommon for 501(c)3 organizations to have a for-profit organization operating "at an arm's length". Microsoft-esque only if you th

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Florian what i meant was what process would TDF need to take to get funding as an NGO -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Yes they do Zaphod. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-08 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Jonathan, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-02-08 12.36: Would you like me to find out whats needed to be an NGO Florian? what do you mean? ;-) Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-08 Thread Zaphod Feeblejocks
On 8 Feb 2011 at 9:45, Ian Lynch wrote: > On 8 February 2011 09:18, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > > Is the TDF an NGO. If its based in the EU the organization can possibly get > > a lot of funding from the EU itself. > > > Yes but probably not by the end of March! The EU spend money on useful

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-08 Thread Benjamin Horst
;> Ben >> >> >> >> - Original Message >>> From: Benjamin Horst >>> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org >>> Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 12:07:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising >>> >>

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Lynch
jamin Horst > > To: discuss@documentfoundation.org > > Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 12:07:42 PM > > Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising > > > > Would it be legitimate and useful for a private US citizen to set up a > >Kickstarter with the stipulation

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Lynch
On 8 February 2011 16:36, BRM wrote: > - Original Message > > > From: Ian Lynch > > On 8 February 2011 11:34, Florian Effenberger < > flo...@documentfoundation.org > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > thanks for your contributions, great to see things moving! :-) > > > > > > Well, I

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-08 Thread BRM
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org > Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 12:07:42 PM > Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising > > Would it be legitimate and useful for a private US citizen to set up a >Kickstarter with the stipulation that the funding would all be donated to the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-08 Thread Benjamin Horst
Would it be legitimate and useful for a private US citizen to set up a Kickstarter with the stipulation that the funding would all be donated to the TDF legal entity in Germany? If this approach is sound, then I or another US-based volunteer could set it up. When the campaign finishes and is di

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-08 Thread BRM
- Original Message > From: Ian Lynch > On 8 February 2011 11:34, Florian Effenberger > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > thanks for your contributions, great to see things moving! :-) > > > > Well, I think opening an US bank account is problematic at least from the > > time perspective, but

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Lynch
On 8 February 2011 11:34, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi, > > thanks for your contributions, great to see things moving! :-) > > Well, I think opening an US bank account is problematic at least from the > time perspective, but maybe also from a legal PoV - our association might > not be eligible

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-08 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Would you like me to find out whats needed to be an NGO Florian? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-08 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, thanks for your contributions, great to see things moving! :-) Well, I think opening an US bank account is problematic at least from the time perspective, but maybe also from a legal PoV - our association might not be eligible to do so, as we are accredited in Germany and have special tax

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Lynch
On 8 February 2011 09:18, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Is the TDF an NGO. If its based in the EU the organization can possibly get > a lot of funding from the EU itself. Yes but probably not by the end of March! Applying for EU grants is certainly possible and we have expertise in the field but

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-08 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Is the TDF an NGO. If its based in the EU the organization can possibly get a lot of funding from the EU itself. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly arc

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-07 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/2011 06:35 PM, drew wrote: > you don't want to setup to do business of any kind in the US beyond the > ability to accept funds into a checking account and then later transfer > the funds as one lump sum to the proper account for the foundatio

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-07 Thread Zaphod Feeblejocks
> It might be possible to first establish a Santander account in Germany > and from there set up a U.S. account -- Santander International has a > branch in Manhattan I like the sound of Santander (or for that matter, any big international bank, such as HSBC). Simply because I should be able

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-07 Thread drew
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 18:18 +, toki wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/07/2011 01:27 PM, drew wrote: > > > A requirement to have to have a US bank account in order to receive funds > > is not the same thing as saying the money must be dispersed in the US only,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-07 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/2011 01:27 PM, drew wrote: > A requirement to have to have a US bank account in order to receive funds is > not the same thing as saying the money must be dispersed in the US only, is > it? No. A couple of things to do, before setting up

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-07 Thread Benjamin Horst
On Feb 7, 2011, at 9:19 AM, drew wrote: > Firstly I'd say - slow down a bit - let this idea percolate a bit. > > _If_ kickstarter is something of interest then the way to go would be > IMO to have German nationals open an account in a US bank, and that can > be done. Kickstarter looks like the s

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-07 Thread drew
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 08:47 -0500, adept techlists - kazar wrote: > On 2/7/11 8:39 AM, adept techlists - kazar wrote: > > No, it is not. If you would like me to inquire at my local Sovereign > > bank here in New York, where business bank accounts are free, let me > > know and provide a list of qu

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-07 Thread adept techlists - kazar
On 2/7/11 8:39 AM, adept techlists - kazar wrote: No, it is not. If you would like me to inquire at my local Sovereign bank here in New York, where business bank accounts are free, let me know and provide a list of questions to ask them. I personally have bad credit so I could not be a signator

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-07 Thread adept techlists - kazar
On 2/7/11 8:27 AM, drew wrote: On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 14:12 +0100, Andras Timar wrote: 2011/2/7 adept techlists - kazar: rather than expend resources on re-inventing the wheel, why not use Kickstarter? You set a fundraising goal, a deadline, and can add videos, links and blog posts to the projec

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-07 Thread drew
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 14:12 +0100, Andras Timar wrote: > 2011/2/7 adept techlists - kazar : > > rather than expend resources on re-inventing the wheel, why not use > > Kickstarter? You set a fundraising goal, a deadline, and can add videos, > > links and blog posts to the project. > > Do I have to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-07 Thread Andras Timar
2011/2/7 adept techlists - kazar : > rather than expend resources on re-inventing the wheel, why not use > Kickstarter? You set a fundraising goal, a deadline, and can add videos, > links and blog posts to the project. Do I have to be US-based to start a project? Currently, yes. from: http://www.k

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-07 Thread adept techlists - kazar
On 2/7/11 6:49 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: o The drawback of a Germany-based Foundation is that we need at least 50.000 € for the capital stock, ideally it is even 100.000 €. That money can not be used for daily work, but needs to stay in the stock. This is required for the safet

[tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-07 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, I am copying a few lists on this, so all teams are informed. *Please* do continue discussion *solely* on the appropriate lists, e.g. website for website related tasks, design for design related tasks and so on, do *not* Cc all the lists when replying. :-) Introduction At the moment,