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Less words, more work.
El 27/06/11 7:07, Keith Curtis escribió:
> In order to succeed, a mass movement must develop at the earliest
> moment a compact corporate organization and a capacity to integrate
> all comers.
>
> —Eric Hoffer, American philosopher
>
> This discussion is interesting but i
Jesper Lund Stocholm wrote:
>
> But we are not talking about document archiving here, are we? We are
> talking about round-tripping documents.
>
>
>
> But this *is* for fidelity reasons - just not meant for archiving. If
> I send my team (e.g. in India) a document created in Impress or
> Write
Hi Davide,
2011/6/27 Davide Dozza :
>
> I've been working on OOo migrations since 2003. Especially for PA. I
> think I'm not detached from the real world ;-)
:o)
> One thing it's what people wish, another what the law requires and yet
> another is what technology offers.
>
> For a PA when a
Hi Jesper,
Il 27/06/2011 10:49, Jesper Lund Stocholm ha scritto:
> Hi Davide,
>
> 2011/6/27 Davide Dozza :
>> Il 26/06/2011 23:21, plino ha scritto:
>> [...]
>>
>>>
>>> Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
If you want absolute layout fidelity use PDF. That's the reason it's
been designed, not ODF.
Hi Davide,
2011/6/27 Davide Dozza :
> Il 26/06/2011 23:21, plino ha scritto:
> [...]
>
>>
>> Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
>>> If you want absolute layout fidelity use PDF. That's the reason it's
>>> been designed, not ODF.
>>
>> PDF is used for keeping printing fidelity. It's not an editable format.
>
Il 26/06/2011 23:21, plino ha scritto:
[...]
>
> Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
>> If you want absolute layout fidelity use PDF. That's the reason it's
>> been designed, not ODF.
>
> PDF is used for keeping printing fidelity. It's not an editable format.
OOo, LibO, Symphony, Word, Abiword, Koffice an
Hello Pedro,
Le Sun, 26 Jun 2011 14:21:25 -0700 (PDT),
plino a écrit :
>
> Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> >
> > But let me ask it
> > again: why should it not be the right file format for LibreOffice?
> > Fonts embedding cannot be the only one feature that will help us
> > break the dominant vend
Hi Pedro and Charles et al
Le 2011-06-26 17:21, plino a écrit :
Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
But let me ask it
again: why should it not be the right file format for LibreOffice?
Fonts embedding cannot be the only one feature that will help us break
the dominant vendor's monopoly, can it?
Because
In order to succeed, a mass movement must develop at the earliest
moment a compact corporate organization and a capacity to integrate
all comers.
—Eric Hoffer, American philosopher
This discussion is interesting but it reminds me of people
re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Or, perhaps a be
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Steve Edmonds
wrote:
>
> The better solution is to include the fonts required in the odt file
> just for LO use (like MS, and 2 previously mentioned word processors).
>
That is another solution, but not necessarily a better solution. I think a
better solution is t
Hi.
On 2011-06-27 14:17, Robert Derman wrote:
> Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
>> Le Sun, 26 Jun 2011 09:41:07 -0700 (PDT),
>> plino a écrit :
>>
>>
>>> Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
>>>
Now, as for humility, claiming in an assured and definitive way
that ODF will lose if it
does not em
Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
Le Sun, 26 Jun 2011 09:41:07 -0700 (PDT),
plino a écrit :
Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
Now, as for humility, claiming in an assured and definitive way
that ODF will lose if it
does not embed fonts is not exactly humble either.
I didn't say that. I said tha
Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
>
> But let me ask it
> again: why should it not be the right file format for LibreOffice?
> Fonts embedding cannot be the only one feature that will help us break
> the dominant vendor's monopoly, can it?
>
Because any document that allows the use of different fonts an
Le Sun, 26 Jun 2011 09:41:07 -0700 (PDT),
plino a écrit :
>
> Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> >
> > Now, as for humility, claiming in an assured and definitive way
> > that ODF will lose if it
> > does not embed fonts is not exactly humble either.
>
> I didn't say that. I said that IF OASIS insists
Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
>
> Now, as for humility, claiming in an assured and definitive way that ODF
> will lose if it
> does not embed fonts is not exactly humble either.
I didn't say that. I said that IF OASIS insists on refusing to embed fonts
in ODF (which is what you also peremptorily affi
Okay, since you're in fingepointing mode, it is indeed my mistake to think
that fonts could not be embedded in MSO formats. I do maintain that very few
people know about this, and that by rule they're not included. Now, as for
humility, claiming in an assured and definitive way that ODF will lose i
Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
>
> We do all have lots of responsibility, all of us. I can assure
> you that people usually, most of the time DON'T include fonts in their
> MSO documents. But then, who am I to argue? You seem to be a MSO power
> user. Go and contribute to the ODF TC at the OASIS. I me
Le Sun, 26 Jun 2011 00:30:07 -0700 (PDT),
plino a écrit :
>
> Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> >
> > So are you saying your word documents embed fonts on a daily basis?
> > I've never seen any similar documents. You get the impression of
> > that -maybe- because on a windows to windows environment ev
Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
>
> So are you saying your word documents embed fonts on a daily basis?
> I've never seen any similar documents. You get the impression of that
> -maybe- because on a windows to windows environment everybody uses
> fonts that are already available on the system. Of course
Le 2011-06-25 11:36, aqualung a écrit :
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
3. There are other ways to make fonts available in the meantime, although
not so straightforward as embedded fonts, they also don't make the
document bigger.
A similar discussion took place in March and I
http://nabble.docum
: ANN: ODF 1.2
Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)
[ ... ]
Off hand, I would say that embedding a font is not just for readers to
use. I would say that there must then be support for LO to fully use
that in the editor for viewing, editing, printing, and generating other
file
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
>
> 3. There are other ways to make fonts available in the meantime, although
> not so straightforward as embedded fonts, they also don't make the
> document bigger.
>
>
A similar discussion took place in March and I
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RE-tdf-dis
On 06/25/2011 01:14 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
Hi Dennis
Le 2011-06-25 12:40, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit :
PS: Since August 2008, when I became a member of the ODF TC, I don't
recall any conclusion that font embedding is out of scope for the
OpenDocument Format. I don't know what such an assertio
th
... let's say ... a LibreOffice Reader and if other groups were to
support this new option, then it may pass?
-Original Message-
From: plino [mailto:pedl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 01:26
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding
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Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 01:26
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2
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Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
> 4. It is incorrect to presume that Fo
Le Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:01:26 -0700 (PDT),
plino a écrit :
>
> Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> >
> > No it doesn't.
> >
>
> Of course it does. Maybe you don't use it or don't know how to do
> it. But don't say it doesn't.
So are you saying your word documents embed fonts on a daily basis?
I've n
Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
>
> No it doesn't.
>
Of course it does. Maybe you don't use it or don't know how to do it. But
don't say it doesn't.
Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
>
> But I think we're also missing the point if -let's say
> we were to design a brand new office file format that embeds o
Le Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:34:29 +0200,
Manfred Usselmann a écrit :
> On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 01:25:47 -0700 (PDT)
> plino wrote:
>
> > In any case, if LibreOffice's goal is to be a suite that stands
> > behind the ODF format then it should review what it promises. If it
> > can't embed fonts, it can n
У суб, 25. 06 2011. у 12:34 +0200, Manfred Usselmann пише:
>
> Does MS Office embed fonts?
It is a rarely used option, disabled by default.
To use it not breaking copyright law, you need to have a properly
licensed font. If you are using non-free font, usually you are not
allowed to redistribute
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 01:25:47 -0700 (PDT)
plino wrote:
> In any case, if LibreOffice's goal is to be a suite that stands
> behind the ODF format then it should review what it promises. If it
> can't embed fonts, it can never be a replacement for MS Office.
Does MS Office embed fonts?
Manfred
--
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
> 4. It is incorrect to presume that Font Embedding will not be in ODF 1.3
> or any other. While font embedding did not make the feature cut in the
> prioritization for ODF 1.2, that does not mean it can't be resurrected.
> It is early days for ODF 1.3, which is sch
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