[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-28 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-10-28 18:16, Cor Nouws a écrit : Hi, I noticed that the old users forums from OOo are not available any more. I was not a frequent visitor, but helped a bit with questions (on the Dutch language version) now and then. There was a mixture of questions related to OOo and of course increasi

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2011-10-28 5:21 PM Stefan Weigel wrote: Am 29.10.2011 00:16, schrieb Cor Nouws: > I noticed that the old users forums from OOo are not available any > more. Hm. Aren´t they still available? http://user.services.openoffice.org/ But, you are right, it´s likely they will disappear or be

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2011-10-29 1:11 AM Jonathan Aquilina wrote: On 29/10/2011 08:23, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Migration has been done : http://ooo-forums.apache.org/ It works for FR forum but I do not know how users will be aware of the new url. Best regards. JBF Simple fix. Setup a redirect from the old

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Olivier R.
Hello Cor, Cor Nouws wrote: > > So apart from that it is maybe not fair ;-) to profit too much on the > work of the forums at Apache (when life), it will be increasingly > insufficient for our own users. > Forums administrators and volonteers have always claim to be non-discriminative. They

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Olivier R.
Hello Charles, > providing mailing lists seems to mean that we don't > respect forums No. You are twisting what I said. Apache offered to host forums. There have been a lot of discussions, and it was not easy to find a common ground. Did TDF offer to host forums ? Regards, Olivier -- View this

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Olivier R.
Hello, Italo Vignoli wrote: > > Recently, we have offered a server - without any condition - to host the > forums, but the admins have decided to go to Apache. The answer I got > when I wrote to the ooo-user@apache mailing list is a testament of forum > admins positioning (no answer at all).

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Olivier R.
Charles, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > Perhaps, but I actually heard a similar argument about "the lack of > respect" to the forums (but apparently you make a different point) from > several people over the last months, hence my reaction. > Maybe I should have written “lack of consideration” i

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-10-29 08:55, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit : On 29/10/2011 14:38, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Jonathan, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-10-29 14:33: I am more then willing to volunteer a section on my forums for Libreoffice and the TDF discussion and support as well. I am using phpbb for

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread jeanmi2403
It is here : http://user.services.openoffice.org/nl/forum/index.php http://user.services.openoffice.org/nl/forum/index.php Friendly - ]LibO 3.4.2 Windows 7 Familiale Premium SP1 x64 -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/user-forums-tp3462202p3463075.html Sent

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-30 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-10-30 11:40, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Single sign-on is indeed something I'd like to see soon, but there are no concrete plans as of now. One option would be OpenID, another one an LDAP connection - let's see what we can come up with. ;-) Florian OpenId is the option that users wo

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-30 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-10-30 20:15, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : Um, lest I confuse everyone: After the English language forum, the French and then the Spanish language forums are the next most active in terms of registered users and other statistics. The remainder are in the 1,000-2,000 range and then Vie

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-31 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-10-31 15:49, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hello, thanks everyone for your feedback and your kind offers to help, that's really much appreciated! As for which type to use, I must say that a "normal" forum is the only way, IMHO. We've been experimenting with Nabble, and the result has be

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-01 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-11-01 04:02, Stefan Weigel a écrit : I estimate at least 80% of the topics/questions/answers will still be common for all these products. We need to look at this from the users point of view. The user does not benefit, if the knowledge base is split up and unequally distributed over sever

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-02 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-11-02 06:17, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hi, Stefan Weigel wrote on 2011-11-02 11:13: Ok. The forum will sure have a search function, just like every forum has, right? Could our new forum combine automatically three searches at once? (1) Show the matches inside our forum (2) Show the

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-02 Thread Ken Springer
On 10/28/11 4:16 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi, I noticed that the old users forums from OOo are not available any more. I was not a frequent visitor, but helped a bit with questions (on the Dutch language version) now and then. There was a mixture of questions related to OOo and of course increasingl

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-03 Thread Ken Springer
On 11/3/11 5:19 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, Ken Springer wrote on 2011-11-02 22:48: If you prefer your help system to be a forum, that's available through the Nabble interface and Gmane. sadly, Nabble is not seen as forum at all. I don't know why, but many - especially novice - user

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-03 Thread Marc Paré
Hi Florian et al, Le 2011-11-02 17:03, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2011-11-02 06:17, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hi, Stefan Weigel wrote on 2011-11-02 11:13: Ok. The forum will sure have a search function, just like every forum has, right? Could our new forum combine automatically three searches

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-03 Thread Ken Springer
Hi, Augustine, On 11/3/11 8:12 AM, Augustine Souza wrote: > On Nov 3, 2011, Florian Effenberger wrote: > "sadly, Nabble is not seen as forum at all. I don't know why, but many > - especially novice - users have complained and do not use Nabble. My > wish was indeed to have this forum-style gatewa

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-03 Thread Ken Springer
Hi, Augustine, On 11/3/11 8:12 AM, Augustine Souza wrote: On Nov 3, 2011, Florian Effenberger wrote: "sadly, Nabble is not seen as forum at all. I don't know why, but many - especially novice - users have complained and do not use Nabble. My wish was indeed to have this forum-style gateway to ha

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-04 Thread Marc Paré
Hi Drew, Florian, ... Le 2011-11-04 06:18, Florian Effenberger a écrit : It would be great, in case we go with own forums, to have a handful of moderators right from the beginning. If not, I would even be willing to see how things develop and have the guts to just do it. In case the forum gets

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-04 Thread Ken Springer
Apologies for the double post, but the Gmane system is giving me fits... Again! :-( I actually wrote and sent the second post before the first post even showed up for me. Note the huge difference between the timestamps. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 7.0.1 Thunderbird 7.0.1 LibreOffic

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-06 Thread Tom Hart
Am 04.11.2011 11:18, schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hi, Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2011-11-03 16:17: You cannot move threads to other topics, you cannot edit messages afterwards, you cannot delete posts, you cannot mark posts as sticky or "resolved", etc. indeed, good points. However, I am no

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-07 Thread Ken Springer
Hi, Florian, On 11/7/11 3:55 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Tom Hart wrote on 2011-11-07 02:11: Maybe this looks more like a forum? http://arkanis.de/projects#nntp-forum https://github.com/arkanis/nntp-forum The key idea here is to have an etablished system newsgroup under the hood (for

[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-10 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-11-08 11:52, drew a écrit : On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 15:34 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, ads, independent to what they advertise for, are basically a no go for me. Howdy Florian right, well I have no doubt of the sincerity behind that comment, but it does get a bit dicey in pr

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Olivier, Le 29/10/2011 10:16, Olivier R. a écrit : > Hello Cor, > > > Cor Nouws wrote: >> >> So apart from that it is maybe not fair ;-) to profit too much on the >> work of the forums at Apache (when life), it will be increasingly >> insufficient for our own users. >> > > Forums admini

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 10/29/2011 10:16 AM, Olivier R. wrote: AFAIK, forums migrated on Apache server only because TDF has always favored mailing-lists and seemed to have low respect for forums. Before Apache, TDF seemed not concerned with forums hosting. When we started the project in 2010, "human" bandwidth was

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi, Am 29.10.2011 10:16, schrieb Olivier R.: > Forums administrators and volonteers have always claim to be > non-discriminative. They support all versions of the software: LibreOffice, > OpenOffice.org, NeoOffice, etc. That´s correct. And that´s why the following is *not* correct: > TDF has a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le 29/10/2011 11:37, Olivier R. a écrit : > Hello Charles, > >> providing mailing lists seems to mean that we don't >> respect forums > > No. You are twisting what I said. Perhaps, but I actually heard a similar argument about "the lack of respect" to the forums (but apparently you make a diff

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, Stefan Weigel wrote on 2011-10-29 11:35: It´s not a matter of low respect. It´s just not necessary to mess around and create yet another forum, since there are already well-settled forums, driven by the community, that fully cover LibreOffice.;-) the points raised by Italo are not inval

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 29/10/2011 14:30, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, Stefan Weigel wrote on 2011-10-29 11:35: It´s not a matter of low respect. It´s just not necessary to mess around and create yet another forum, since there are already well-settled forums, driven by the community, that fully cover LibreOffi

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Jonathan, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-10-29 14:33: I am more then willing to volunteer a section on my forums for Libreoffice and the TDF discussion and support as well. I am using phpbb for the forums though :( thanks a lot for that offer. If we, however, decide for TDF forums, I then

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 29/10/2011 14:38, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Jonathan, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-10-29 14:33: I am more then willing to volunteer a section on my forums for Libreoffice and the TDF discussion and support as well. I am using phpbb for the forums though :( thanks a lot for that offe

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 10/29/2011 11:37 AM, Olivier R. wrote: Did TDF offer to host forums ? Yes -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.or

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Saturday, October 29, 2011 02:54 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ? Le 29/10/2011 11:37, Olivier R. a écrit : > Hello Charles, > >> providing mailing lists seems to mean that we don't >> respect forums > > No. You are twisting

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Olivier, Olivier R. wrote (29-10-11 10:16) Forums administrators and volonteers have always claim to be non-discriminative. They support all versions of the software: LibreOffice, OpenOffice.org, NeoOffice, etc. And almost all of us have already switched to LibreOffice. Is it really necessar

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Italo, Italo Vignoli wrote (29-10-11 11:26) LibreOffice is going forward and bringing new features to users, with an increasingly different code base. OOo is going backwards, [...] From what I've seen the past year, I am not positive too about OO, especially not compared to LibreOffice. B

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-29 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Dennis, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote (29-10-11 20:47) I am also not aware of any discussion that was antagonistic to TDF whatsoever among those involved with finding a resolution for the migration of the OOo Forums to a reliable hosting. The key objection was to preserve and continue that valuab

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-30 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-10-29 14:55: If you opt to name one as an official TDF mirror it wont take me a second to setup a TDF section and LO section for use. what is the URL of your existing forum, so I can have a look? I am wondering though if you go for self hosted solution i a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-30 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 30/10/2011 16:40, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-10-29 14:55: If you opt to name one as an official TDF mirror it wont take me a second to setup a TDF section and LO section for use. what is the URL of your existing forum, so I can have a look? I am wonder

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-30 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 30/10/2011 16:40, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-10-29 14:55: If you opt to name one as an official TDF mirror it wont take me a second to setup a TDF section and LO section for use. what is the URL of your existing forum, so I can have a look? I am wonder

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-30 Thread Marc-André Laverdière
+ On 30 Oct 2011 13:49, "Marc Paré" wrote: Le 2011-10-30 11:40, Florian Effenberger a écrit : > > Single sign-on is indeed something I'd like to see soon, but there are > no concrete plans as o... OpenId is the option that users would be most familiar, there are many sites using it. Doing LDAP

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-10-30 Thread Marc-André Laverdière
+1 for open id. Sorry for the extra email... my phone's touch screen is a bit off sometimes. On 30 Oct 2011 13:49, "Marc Paré" wrote: Le 2011-10-30 11:40, Florian Effenberger a écrit : > > Single sign-on is indeed something I'd like to see soon, but there are > no concrete plans as o... OpenId

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-01 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi, Am 01.11.2011 05:45, schrieb Marc Paré: > If de.openoffice.org is "awarded" the care of > the LibreOffice maintenance of the forums, there will be those > who will complain about it as not being a real native LibreOffice > forums. If the TDF raises its own forums, then there will those > who

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-01 Thread Marc-André Laverdière
I understand the logic. I am not too happy about it, but there is no perfect solution, as you pointed out. I like the Shapado site. I am not sure we can vote up answers, which I think is a killer feature. If that is there, it would have my blessing for an official Q&A. I guess we can worry about m

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-03 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, Ken Springer wrote on 2011-11-02 22:48: If you prefer your help system to be a forum, that's available through the Nabble interface and Gmane. sadly, Nabble is not seen as forum at all. I don't know why, but many - especially novice - users have complained and do not use Nabble. My wis

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-03 Thread Augustine Souza
On Nov 3, 2011, Florian Effenberger wrote: "sadly, Nabble is not seen as forum at all. I don't know why, but many - especially novice - users have complained and do not use Nabble. My wish was indeed to have this forum-style gateway to have access to the same content with two interfaces, but it obv

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-03 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *, On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Ken Springer wrote on 2011-11-02 22:48: >> >> If you prefer your help system to be a forum, that's available through >> the Nabble interface and Gmane. > > sadly, Nabble is not seen as forum at all. Yes, because it is none. > I

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-03 Thread drew
On Thu, 2011-11-03 at 16:17 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: > Hi *, > > On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Florian Effenberger > wrote: > > Ken Springer wrote on 2011-11-02 22:48: > >> > >> If you prefer your help system to be a forum, that's available through > >> the Nabble interface and Gmane.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-04 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2011-11-03 16:17: You cannot move threads to other topics, you cannot edit messages afterwards, you cannot delete posts, you cannot mark posts as sticky or "resolved", etc. indeed, good points. However, I am not sure if this is what the majority of users would

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-04 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Marc Paré wrote on 2011-11-04 18:06: Once the forums is definitely OK'd and once the decision on whether it will be an EN forums only (which is what I think you are talking about) or multiple languages, we should just make a call for help on all lists. I definitely plan, should we go with

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-07 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Tom Hart wrote on 2011-11-07 02:11: Maybe this looks more like a forum? http://arkanis.de/projects#nntp-forum https://github.com/arkanis/nntp-forum The key idea here is to have an etablished system newsgroup under the hood (for the more "conserative" users) and a fancy webinterface forum (

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-07 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi Ken and all, On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Ken Springer wrote: > I will once again say, that of all the open source programs I've tried and > would like to use, LO is far and away the best organization at providing a > help system for everyone. You are right. But http://wiki.documentfounda

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-07 Thread drew
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 06:20 +0900, Kazunari Hirano wrote: > Hi Ken and all, > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Ken Springer wrote: > > I will once again say, that of all the open source programs I've tried and > > would like to use, LO is far and away the best organization at providing a > > hel

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-07 Thread drew
On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 17:07 -0500, drew wrote: > On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 06:20 +0900, Kazunari Hirano wrote: > > Hi Ken and all, > > > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Ken Springer wrote: > > > I will once again say, that of all the open source programs I've tried and > > > would like to use, LO i

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-07 Thread Augustine Souza
On 11/8/11, drew wrote: ... > > Right, LibreOfficeForum.org was almost first out of the gate, but there > has been a certain amount of resistance to referring users to the site > from the main projects web properties. > ... en.libreofficeforum.org is not too shabby at all and would serve the purp

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-07 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 08/11/2011 07:42, Augustine Souza wrote: On 11/8/11, drew wrote: ... Right, LibreOfficeForum.org was almost first out of the gate, but there has been a certain amount of resistance to referring users to the site from the main projects web properties. ... en.libreofficeforum.org is not too

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-08 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Augustine, *, On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Augustine Souza wrote: > On 11/8/11, drew wrote: > > en.libreofficeforum.org is not too shabby at all and would serve the purpose. > > If I remember there was some opposition to Google ads featuring > competing software but that's really a non-iss

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-08 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, ads, independent to what they advertise for, are basically a no go for me. Florian *** This message has been sent from my tablet. Please excuse the possible briefness. Augustine Souza schrieb: >On 11/8/11, drew wrote: >... >> >> Right, LibreOfficeForum.org was almost first out of the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-08 Thread drew
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 15:34 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi, > > ads, independent to what they advertise for, are basically a no go for me. > Howdy Florian right, well I have no doubt of the sincerity behind that comment, but it does get a bit dicey in practice IMO. For instance very f

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

2011-11-08 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, maybe I put it the wrong way. Of course, there are always services that are inly available with ads, then we sometimes have no choice. However, when thinking about eithe modifying existing services that have ads, to fit our needs, like for a forum, or to setup our own without ads, I have a