Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-22 Thread Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai
Hi! It is not surprising to me. Until the LibreOffice you was 100% committed to OpenOffice.org. Now, what is your occupation? Are you a OpenOffice.org contributor, or LibreOffice or both of them?. If somebody ask you what offer to him as a office suite what will you tell to him? It is somehow a sp

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-19 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Cor Nouws wrote: Andrea Pescetti wrote (17-10-10 14:47) and the treasurer of Team OpenOffice.org e.V. happens to be from Oracle: http://council.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=budget&msgNo=255 and again we are back in the situation Jean correctly described as "messy". I would not describe

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-18 Thread jonathon
On 10/17/2010 12:00 PM, Gianluca Turconi wrote: > So, "community" budget is now directly managed from Oracle?! Sun, and then Oracle has always tried to manage that was related to OOo. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread Cor Nouws
Andrea Pescetti wrote (17-10-10 14:47) Well, OpenOffice.org donations go to Team OpenOffice.org e.V. (not to be confused with OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V.) http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html and the treasurer of Team OpenOffice.org e.V. happens to be from Oracle: http://council.op

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread Ian
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 21:58 +0200, Per Eriksson wrote: > Dear members of the community, > > If we think that we indeed have a better community model and software > development model, our best way of showing that is by demonstrating how > it is supposed to work. The ongoing discussions about old,

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, Am 17.10.2010 21:58, schrieb Per Eriksson: If we think that we indeed have a better community model and software development model, our best way of showing that is by demonstrating how it is supposed to work. The ongoing discussions about old, bad working models will only take our energy w

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread Per Eriksson
Dear members of the community, If we think that we indeed have a better community model and software development model, our best way of showing that is by demonstrating how it is supposed to work. The ongoing discussions about old, bad working models will only take our energy when getting our

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread Fridrich Strba
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 22:35 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > I've been intending to check how many CC members are Oracle employees > and how many are not. Do they really have the votes to force these > changes? They have all the votes, basically many developers in Hamburg are either leads or co-

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread Gianluca Turconi
In data 17 ottobre 2010 alle ore 18:05:37, Bernhard Dippold ha scritto: Really, I'm not able to understand how these actions ca be legally supported. It's all about the definition of the OpenOffice.org community. If this community has *not* established a foundation, people supporting Libr

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread AG
On 17/10/10 13:37, Ian wrote: On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 08:08 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Just out of curiosity, re: budget money: Was the budget funds collected and donated to the community? If so, how could a corporation come in and take over a community and take control of their budget?

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Gianluca, * Gianluca Turconi schrieb: In data 17 ottobre 2010 alle ore 14:51:39, Italo Vignoli [...] I would expect that *Team OpenOffice.org e.V.*, the recipient of donations, would have decided about who can or cannot manage its money before the approvers in charge are removed. Perhaps a

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread Gianluca Turconi
In data 17 ottobre 2010 alle ore 14:51:39, Italo Vignoli ha scritto: As the treasurer responsible for the entire budget, I am now listing Peter Junge, acting Marketing Project Lead, as the owner for the "General Marketing" and "Other Conferences" budgets. Also, I am thanking Cor and Italo, so

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread David Filskov
> "No need for further explanations." Good one :) -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be d

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-17 08:47, Andrea Pescetti a écrit : Ian wrote: On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 08:08 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: how could a corporation come in and take over a community and take control of their budget? Because there was no legal entity - that is why a Foundation was needed from the outset.

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread Italo Vignoli
Gianluca Turconi wrote: > In data 17 ottobre 2010 alle ore 13:18:38, Italo Vignoli > ha scritto: > >> I have been "resigned" from my role as budget approver (of a community >> owned budget made by donations) by an Oracle employee advocating that he >> is in charge of that community budget. > > S

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Ian wrote: > On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 08:08 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > > how could a corporation come in and take over a community and > > take control of their budget? > > Because there was no legal entity - that is why a Foundation was needed > from the outset. Well, OpenOffice.org donations go to

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread Italo Vignoli
Marc Paré wrote: > Just out of curiosity, re: budget money: Was the budget funds collected > and donated to the community? Exactly: donations. > If so, how could a corporation come in and take over a community and > take control of their budget? I have been "resigned" on Tuesday, and I have ask

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread Ian
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 08:08 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > Just out of curiosity, re: budget money: Was the budget funds collected > and donated to the community? > > If so, how could a corporation come in and take over a community and > take control of their budget? Because there was no legal enti

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 08:08 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > Le 2010-10-17 08:00, Gianluca Turconi a écrit : > > In data 17 ottobre 2010 alle ore 13:18:38, Italo Vignoli > > ha scritto: > > > >> I have been "resigned" from my role as budget approver (of a community > >> owned budget made by donations) by

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-17 08:00, Gianluca Turconi a écrit : In data 17 ottobre 2010 alle ore 13:18:38, Italo Vignoli ha scritto: I have been "resigned" from my role as budget approver (of a community owned budget made by donations) by an Oracle employee advocating that he is in charge of that community bu

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread Gianluca Turconi
In data 17 ottobre 2010 alle ore 13:18:38, Italo Vignoli ha scritto: I have been "resigned" from my role as budget approver (of a community owned budget made by donations) by an Oracle employee advocating that he is in charge of that community budget. So, "community" budget is now directly

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread Italo Vignoli
Gianluca Turconi wrote: > It's a very common corporate behavior when things go wrong: or you'll > resign or you'll be fired. Actually, the community council is just the top of the iceberg. I have been "resigned" from my role as budget approver (of a community owned budget made by donations) by a

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread Gianluca Turconi
In data 17 ottobre 2010 alle ore 12:07:04, Jean Hollis Weber ha scritto: We're on slashdot. I mention this for info purposes only, not suggesting anyone should waste their time responding to the inevitable stupid comments. --Jean http://goo.gl/qmIk Indeed, the content of Community Council's

[tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-17 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
We're on slashdot. I mention this for info purposes only, not suggesting anyone should waste their time responding to the inevitable stupid comments. --Jean http://goo.gl/qmIk -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at