Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-18 Thread Erik Levitch
I love it! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=46632 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ...

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-16 Thread Fergus Neff
Wonderful, provocative stuff Clayton! Like many others have expressed, I want to get my hands on there and try the system out! I'm also interested to see how using multiple monitors comes into play. Particularly as in our case where we generally use two widescreen monitors per workstation with

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-15 Thread Shivan Kannan
Nice video there. I sense there could be a difficulty initially in identifying which of the 5 pointers belonged to its respective finger while they all are closely placed and look the same round with at the center. The mouse pointer is just one thing we need to focus on now which is relatively

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-15 Thread pauric
I have another question Clayton, more of a technical detail than anything With the hybrid resistive-capacitive hardware you propose. And with the limitation of resistive sensors to only being able to register a single x-y coord at any point in time. How does the 10gui system detect the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-15 Thread Clayton Miller
Thanks to everyone for the very insightful comments! I hope I can address some of the questions in depth soon, and really appreciate the thought that has gone into your responses. Thanks also to whoever tipped off TechCrunch early Tuesday... it's been a strange and exciting week since then! . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-14 Thread Solomon Bisker
First of all, your video is wonderful. It's a polished (and great) idea - it's clear 10/gui has gone all the way from careful research to wild brainstorming to careful-once-again visual prototyping (letting yourself bounce everywhere in between). And what's more amazing is how you've managed to

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-14 Thread Dan Zollman
This is a great concept. I'm confused about one thing, though that might only be because I can't try it out. Resizing a window (to allow more content to fit onto the screen) is different than zooming. Does this system allow for both actions? Also, this does a lot for the interaction on the OS

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-14 Thread Oleh Kovalchuke
Nice. Three comments: - Why not use a much userable idea of con10uous zoom (Jef Raskin), instead of different finger combinations for different kinds of zoom, which is not only harder to learn, but also more error prone? A two-finger con10uous zoom would zoom out application content

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-14 Thread Oleh Kovalchuke
Comments edited: - The distinctions among 2-, 3-, 4-, and 5-finger chords are hard to learn and to remember. Why not use a more userable idea of two finger continuous zoom (Jef Raskin), instead of different finger combinations for different kinds of zoom. The two-finger pinch would

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-14 Thread Brian Mila
I think the burning question is: Are you going to be able to give the 10 finger desktop the 3 finger salute? haha i couldn't resist. I think Oleh's comments about the zoomable desktop are right on. When I was in grad school I did a research project that proved that a large, zoomable, virtual

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-13 Thread Adam Korman
There are a lot of nice things in the concept. It would be great to see this on a tall, rather than wide, screen. If you stack the windows vertically rather than horizontally, you wouldn't need to have that sideways text, which kind of drives me nuts. Or, like the iPhone, have a display

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-13 Thread Gordon Barlow
I wanted one when I saw this video, I immediately thought of how muscle memory could be used to remember how you interact with things. It could be much more intuitively designed, so that things came naturally, without thinking. At the very end of the video you showed a large track pad below the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-13 Thread Laura
This is very intriguing! Obviously some good thought has gone into this. Nicely done! (Not sure about the cheesy music in the video.) I tweeted the link, fwiw. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=46632

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-13 Thread dave malouf
Clayton, I think my attempt at a response was too long, so I'm trying this shorter one. My response has a lot of criticism, but I want to be sure you see this even if you don't see the blog post. ... Most importantly though, that putting yourself out there like this to criticism is HUGE. This is

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-13 Thread marc resnick
To give you some feedback on how it would interest non-IXDA types, I posted the video on my FB profile and half of my techie friends reposted it within 24 hours. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-13 Thread Brian Mila
I think its a great vision! There are some novel ideas in both the hardware and software concepts. Personally, I think a better arrangement for the keyboard would be to have the trackpad split and have the left and right halves be placed left and right of the keyboard. I really liked the menu

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-13 Thread poomoo
I thought it was a very interesting video. Good work! I expect Apple, who have the vertical integration you mention, must have done a lot of thinking on this already. However, the real power comes when software developers like Adobe support multi-touch in their apps. It will be interesting to see

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-13 Thread Sean Gerety
I have one of the Fingerworks Touchstream LP keyboards and have been using it for years. I can perform two hand gestures and navigation with both pads at the same time and I love it. Here's a link to the gesture guides for fingerworks. http://www.fingerworks.com/userguides.html I think that by

[IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-12 Thread Clayton Miller
For some time, I've been intrigued by the question of what comes next after the mouse and the windowed desktop, the Xerox PARC legacy of desktop human-computer interaction. The paradigm that PARC gave us has proven amazingly versatile. But even it has its limitations, both in navigability and

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-12 Thread pauric
That is a very well thought out design.I like the way you've not just tackled the hardware issues but approached the problem from sw/hw interaction point. Great presentation of the design btw. Ship it! Some questions 1) how do you see apps with a user defined layout working within your app

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-12 Thread pauric
ooops, forgot to include a link to some pictures of my design. Again, I'm hacking things together and the first iterative is just a working mockup http://www.flickr.com/photos/pauric/sets/72157616093748066/show/with/3488471659/ regards /pauric . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A vision for the 10-finger desktop

2009-10-12 Thread kim van Poelgeest
First of all thanks for the vid. I think you're making an interesting point. Have you actually researched the strain involved with such an interface? I have a Jazzmutant Lemur http://www.jazzmutant.com/lemur_v20.php, which I use to make music. I can use all ten fingers in an intuitive way.