Since he held PhD's in both Mathematics and Economics from Berkeley,
I am going to pose that it was not so much a lack of knowledge, but
rather a lack of respect for how social science presents its work
(along with a sharp sense of humor).
Mark
On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:19 AM, Steve Baty
On 11/27/07, Robert Hoekman, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Definitely falls under UX. So much can be learned about human behavior
from
stats, it's unreal. And stats don't lie, which is more than we can say
about
humans (even when these lies are unintentional).
This is *really* surprising
On Nov 27, 2007, at 10:21 PM, Melvin Jay Kumar wrote:
90% of users failed in completing tasks A , when you digg further
you realize they only tested with two people and those were the
wrong test participants even.
Which is exactly why we starting using:
90% of users failed (10%
Your example is not stats.
Again with the semantics! ;) All right, call 'em numbers. Metrics?
Analytics? Call 'em whatever you want. The thread wasn't about the term we
use, it was about whether or not analytics should be an IxD role. I believe
they should be, because you can learn a lot about
Exactly. Metrics can tell us what, but they don't tell us why. We
cannot find out why w/o actually observing people.
Eh - we can make a pretty dern good guess a lot of the time. Sure, there are
certain things you'll never notice without observing people, but with
experience, some decent
Hey all. One thing I failed to mention is that I really was interested if
the UX person should be the administrator for the analytics system, -
setting up click streams, page tags, conversion events - things like that.
I agree pulling reports and looking at usage data should fall in our area.
I agree with Beecher and would only add the following based on my
experience in Analytics:
UX Professionals can elaborate and create business cases which then
should be handed over the Analytics team. This is very much like
Business Cases and Requirements.
I am currently working on a project
It is true that stats/quantitative data can only tell us the what, but
people seem to be implying that this is not useful information. I find that
very strange.
Amen. Our job is to apply our knowledge and experience and such to the
what and figure out the why so it can be improved. Without
I am not sure anyone has said that stats are not useful. I think the general
notion here is of caution. When working with statistics, you are basically
manipulating some of the variances in order to isolate and observe other
variances. The very nature of statistics is in fact data manipulation.
On this topic, can anyone suggest a good book for someone in our field
to learn statistics from? I have people who are competent and happy to
guide me but I'd need a text to work from.
TIA,
Jocelyn Spence
as of next Monday, User Experience Architect at Cimex Media Ltd
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On Wednesday, November 28, 2007, at 04:29PM, Jocelyn Spence [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
On this
Coincidentally enough, the User Experience Podcast came out today
concerning web analytics.
http://uxpod.com/
Enjoy,
Erin
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On 11/27/07, Mike Scarpiello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you think analyzing data using tools like Omniture and Coremetrics
should
fall under the user experience umbrella?
Just wondering.
Good question, Mike. At our consultancy, Web analytics falls under the
online marketing umbrella,
Do you think analyzing data using tools like Omniture and Coremetrics
should
fall under the user experience umbrella?
Definitely falls under UX. So much can be learned about human behavior from
stats, it's unreal. And stats don't lie, which is more than we can say about
humans (even when
At 6:10 PM -0700 11/27/07, Robert Hoekman, Jr. wrote:
Do you think analyzing data using tools like Omniture and Coremetrics
should
fall under the user experience umbrella?
Definitely falls under UX. So much can be learned about human behavior from
stats, it's unreal. And stats don't lie,
Definitely! The huge project I am working on right now - Coremetrics
falls under the Experience Design group.
will evans
user experience architect
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
617.281.1281
On Nov 27, 2007, at 8:10 PM, Robert Hoekman, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Do you think analyzing data using
Your example is not stats. A sample set of 6 is called anecdote.
Turning it into a percentage is not stats. Their I'd no amount of
boostrapping that will make it so either. If you are not using a
statician fluent in regression analysis and using spss or SAS - then
you cannot lay claim to
Sorry about the spelling -
will evans
user experience architect
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
617.281.1281
On Nov 27, 2007, at 10:07 PM, William Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Your example is not stats. A sample set of 6 is called anecdote.
Turning it into a percentage is not stats. Their I'd no
Hi Katie,
You said it all. =)
If you want someone to believe what you're saying, find a number that seems
to support it.
Although I don't like to give numbers for a lot of the IA/UX work I
do, but in the business / Corporate environment, without numbers , you
cannot sell or get funding or
I'm aware that this is not what people think of when they think of
stats. But the fact of the matter is that if you are simply given the
final number -- 33% of all co-eds in a certain year married
professors -- very few people are likely to question the underlying
data. But what I think is
On 28/11/2007, Mark Schraad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I had a professor that loved to tell us that statistics were invented
in order to legitimize social sciences... cause they weren't 'real'
science.
Mark
Mark, this just shows how little they knew about the history of statistical
theory
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