Re: [IxDA Discuss] the alignment of the practices and outcomes ofIA and IxD

2009-03-31 Thread Peter Morville
Dan, It's disingenuous to omit the fourth definition just because it weakens your case. I'm not about to promote or defend these aging definitions, and I won't wade into this debate, but here's how they are presented in the book: 1. The combination of organization, labeling, and navigation

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the alignment of the practices and outcomes ofIA and IxD

2009-03-31 Thread Dan Saffer
On Mar 31, 2009, at 7:05 AM, Peter Morville wrote: It's disingenuous to omit the fourth definition just because it weakens your case. Sorry, I didn't see the 4th definition. Was quoting from: http://semanticstudios.com/publications/semantics/10.php Which doesn't have #4. #4 seems

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the alignment of the practices and outcomes ofIA and IxD

2009-03-31 Thread dave malouf
I feel like calling HUGE bullshit in so many ways to Jorge and Peter: I work in an industrial design department, and previous to that with industrial designers. There is no land grab going on. The work I did w/ and do now is most akin to the work I did as software ixd with visual designers. I

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the alignment of the practices and outcomes ofIA and IxD

2009-03-31 Thread Jorge Arango
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 7:41 AM, dave malouf dave@gmail.com wrote: I don't care about IAs. I really don't. Your work is almost superfluous to me in my world. Nothing more need be said. Now, perhaps those of us who /do/ care about constructive dialog between these fields can move along

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the alignment of the practices and outcomes ofIA and IxD

2009-03-31 Thread Janna Hicks DeVylder
I'd like to start seeing some ideas about how we can move forward, for those whose interests lie in both camps organizationally as well as those whose work lives straddle/sit/are the two. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Jorge Arango jara...@jarango.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 7:41 AM,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the alignment of the practices and outcomes ofIA and IxD

2009-03-31 Thread Patrick Neeman
(Grabbing popcorn, enjoying this from afar.) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=40789 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the alignment of the practices and outcomes ofIA and IxD

2009-03-31 Thread Angel Marquez
Create two distinct lists one from IA and one from IxD of their primary, secondary and tertiary activities. Merge the common elements and treat the outside activities with baby gloves... Welcome to the Interaction Design Association

Re: [IxDA Discuss] the alignment of the practices and outcomes ofIA and IxD

2009-03-31 Thread Steve Baty
Janna, The core techniques of information architecture, and those of interaction design, can be articulated in a manner which I think is fairly uncontentious. We also have several visual representations - and descriptions - of the areas in which IA overlaps with IxD; where IxD overlaps with