Steven Kurylo wrote:
> We've started to use amazon to send out emails (even non "bulk"). its
> cheaper for us to use amazon than to do it ourselves.
I wonder if that would be true in all cases.
If you have any IT infrastructure at all, there's a lot of sunk
costs. Costs that can be pinned to ema
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Nick Silkey wrote:
> AOL and Hotmail do. We use them. I'm pretty certain GMail unfortunately
> doesn't have one.
Yahoo has a feedback loop [1].
Also from Yahoo's best practices [2]:
"Segregate your mail streams by IP addresses and/or domains since Yahoo!
Mail ke
AOL and Hotmail do. We use them. I'm pretty certain GMail unfortunately
doesn't have one.
On Jan 6, 2012 3:24 PM, "Matthew Barr" wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Paul Graydon wrote:
> >
> > For the life of me I can't remember what it's called, but we have an
> arrangement with Road Runner
> From: Anton Cohen [mailto:an...@antoncohen.com]
>
> It's not Box.net systems, it's the systems of the email marketing
companies.
How do you know? Seems like that statement should be revised with a phrase
like "might have been"
> Most companies use third-party services for their email market
On Jan 6, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Paul Graydon wrote:
>
> For the life of me I can't remember what it's called, but we have an
> arrangement with Road Runner where they automatically e-mail us whenever one
> of their customers marks one of our e-mails to them as spam.
FBL - Feedback Loop.
Typic
On 1/5/2012 11:20 AM, da...@lang.hm wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jan 2012, Steven Kurylo wrote:
I consider spammish to be getting emails you didn't sign up for;
whether you signed up for nothing, or signed up for certain
content/frequency and end up with something completely different.
Along with a few oth
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 01:20:08PM -0800, da...@lang.hm wrote:
> The problem is that many people consider 'spammish' to be any e-mail that
> they don't want to see now that was sent from any business, even if they
> asked for it at some point in the past.
This is key. Many Engineers have a ver
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:20 PM, wrote:
>
> The problem is that many people consider 'spammish' to be any e-mail that
> they don't want to see now that was sent from any business, even if they
> asked for it at some point in the past.
>
> People sign up for mailing lists, and then mark the mail fr
On Thu, 5 Jan 2012, Steven Kurylo wrote:
I consider spammish to be getting emails you didn't sign up for;
whether you signed up for nothing, or signed up for certain
content/frequency and end up with something completely different.
Along with a few other things, like being able to opt out, being
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Luke S. Crawford wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 09:17:47AM -0800, Steven Kurylo wrote:
>
>> Could third party email providers be of such low quality, that they
>> should rejected across the board? I've seen no evidence for this.
>
> My point is just that the "qu
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 09:17:47AM -0800, Steven Kurylo wrote:
> Could third party email providers be of such low quality, that they
> should rejected across the board? I've seen no evidence for this.
My point is just that the "quality" most third party email providers
select for is deliverabili
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Luke S. Crawford wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 08:47:44AM -0800, Dave Close wrote:
>> If the content of a mass mailing would tarnish your reputation, don't
>> send it -- through any channel.
>
> I think the key is that you can't outsource your reputation.
> The o
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 08:47:44AM -0800, Dave Close wrote:
> If the content of a mass mailing would tarnish your reputation, don't
> send it -- through any channel.
I think the key is that you can't outsource your reputation.
The outsourced email companies? I'm sure they are experts at
insur
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Dave Close wrote:
> Anton Cohen wrote:
>>The reality is the exact opposite. It's best practice to use outside
>>services or separate servers for mass mail, you don't want
>>your corporate email server's reputation being tarnished by mass mail.
>
> And how do I know
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 11:47, Dave Close wrote:
> If the content of a mass mailing would tarnish your reputation
But the root of the problem is, there are too many people and automated
systems in which *any* kind of mass mailing, regardless of content, gets
you flagged as having a bad reputatio
I said:
>Likewise, it's not fair to blame a vendor if they choose the cheapest
>shipment option and your package is lost, stolen, or damaged?
Anton Cohen wrote:
>No one said anything about cheapest.
"Cheap" isn't always just about cost.
I said:
>Personally, I detest messages which claim to come
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:07, Josh Smift wrote:
> That doesn't sound like the opposite to me: If you're using an outside
> service to send mass mail, precisely so that it doesn't tarnish your
> reputation, isn't that in some sense fraudulent?
>
In the general case, yes. In the specific case whe
http://community.box.com/boxnet/topics/after_joining_box_net_my_email_address_is_getting_spammed?from_gsfn=true
History repeating?
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
>> From: Anton Cohen [mailto:an...@antoncohen.com]
>>
>> It's not Box.net systems, it's the systems of the
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Josh Smift wrote:
> DC> Personally, I detest messages which claim to come from somebody I know
> DC> but examination of the headers reveals they actually came from such a
> DC> marketing company. Even if the message was authorized, I object to the
> DC> practice as
DC> Personally, I detest messages which claim to come from somebody I know
DC> but examination of the headers reveals they actually came from such a
DC> marketing company. Even if the message was authorized, I object to the
DC> practice as fraudulent.
AC> The reality is the exact opposite. It's be
I keep meaning to start doing thisor something like it.
Guess my new provider doesn't do '+' either Hmmm.
On 1/4/2012 8:23 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
>
> You may already know, I use disposable email addresses. So when some retail
> store asks me for my email at checkout, I just say the
> From: Anton Cohen [mailto:an...@antoncohen.com]
>
> It's not Box.net systems, it's the systems of the email marketing
companies.
How do you know? Seems like that statement should be revised with a phrase
like "might have been"
> Most companies use third-party services for their email market
On 2012-01-05 at 00:02 -0800, Anton Cohen wrote:
> Twitter's
> notification emails come from ham-cannon.twitter.com, I'm pretty sure
> that's not their corporate email server (they use Google Apps for corporate
> email).
Correct; transactional mails are separate, but also use a different
sending d
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Dave Close wrote:
> Likewise, it's not fair to blame a vendor if they choose the cheapest
> shipment option and your package is lost, stolen, or damaged?
>
No one said anything about cheapest. I use Google Apps for Email and
Contacts. If my email gets hacked and
Anton Cohen wrote:
>It's not fair to blame a company because their email marketing
>company was hacked.
Likewise, it's not fair to blame a vendor if they choose the cheapest
shipment option and your package is lost, stolen, or damaged?
Personally, I detest messages which claim to come from someb
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
> The discussion you referenced is dated seven months ago. In the last 7
> months, they have had plenty of time to get their act straight. If they
> didn't do it yet, I don't believe they will ever be successful. Not
> because
> they don'
> From: Matt Okeson-Harlow [mailto:m...@technomage.net]
>
> Have you contacted box.net about it? I started getting spam to an address
> that I had only given to carbonite.com a while back. I hit up their
support
> email and got a response back a few weeks later that the company that they
> outs
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 09:23:04AM -0500, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
> You may already know, I use disposable email addresses. So when some retail
> store asks me for my email at checkout, I just say their name
> @nedharvey.com, and later if I start receiving junk mail, I just look to see
> which ad
You may already know, I use disposable email addresses. So when some retail
store asks me for my email at checkout, I just say their name
@nedharvey.com, and later if I start receiving junk mail, I just look to see
which address it was sent to, and I know who leaked my email address, and I
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