RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo friendly countries to live in

2009-08-20 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Like the subject of patents from a couple weeks ago, we need to be careful of painting these things with too broad a brush. I've got to have MicroStation to work with CALTRANS, AutoCAD to work with my local city, ESRI to work with the County's GIS department, and software from LizardTech

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo friendly countries to live in

2009-08-20 Thread Landon Blake
MPG, I didn't mean to shine a spotlight on the USDA's use of MRSID. It is one of several examples of an attitude I was trying to describe. I think you and I respectfully disagree with one another on one aspect of this debate. In my humble opinion sharing data acquired with tax payer funding in a

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo friendly countries to live in

2009-08-20 Thread Bob Basques
All, Chiming in here on this thread, good reading BTW . . . I would like to expand somewhat on the idea that Open Formats should be the number one consideration. I would personally like to see the data be primarily released in an open format, and then these other market related aspects

[OSGeo-Discuss] DTQS or something else.

2009-08-20 Thread Monena
Hi, I'm looking for a software (or something else) which can help me to validate a geodetic calculus engine and a coordinate transformation engine. I have found, on the web, that Eurocontrol has DQTS (Data Quality Tool Set), but it is too expensive. Can Someone tell me if there is a software

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo friendly countries to live in

2009-08-20 Thread Richard Rupp
All, This is a great thought-provoking discussion. Thinking about the U.S. geodata released in the MrSID format. I think this may be the best way to show the return on the taxpayers' investment in the data. The vast majority of citizens don't want to manipulate these datasets; they only want to

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo friendly countries to live in

2009-08-20 Thread Landon Blake
Richard, You make an interesting point. I would respond to your argument in this way: Richard wrote: I think this may be the best way to show the return on the taxpayers' investment in the data. The vast majority of citizens don't want to manipulate these datasets; they only want to view

[OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

2009-08-20 Thread Landon Blake
I realized that publishing a spec for a file format like MRSID isn't as clear cut as I had at first thought. If the MRSID software uses a fancy top-secret compression/decompression algorithm to move data to and from the file format knowing only the structure of the format would do no good. You'd

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

2009-08-20 Thread Eric Wolf
The MRSID format is a very special case - and perhaps an opportunity for a new FOSS file format. MRSID is a lossless, fractal-based, multi-scale raster compression format. LizardTech has the algorithms to encode and decode MRSID locked up in copyrights, and I believe, patents. Even companies like

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

2009-08-20 Thread Landon Blake
Eric, The imagery I am talking about is from the USDA APFO: This FAQ contains a snippet about the format: http://www.fsa.usda.gov/FSA/apfoapp?area=homesubject=progtopic=nai In an interesting turn of events I note that as of 2008, the USDA is releasing the county mosaics in JP2

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

2009-08-20 Thread Eric Wolf
Interesting... I can understand why NAIP was in MRSID. It's a pretty large dataset - and I think .SID was more widely supported than JP2 until recently. The USDA site does provide links to PCI Geomatics FreeView, which can read .SID format but not save it. IrfanView, with a plugin, can read SID

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

2009-08-20 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Some clarifications: - MrSID has both lossy and lossless modes - MrSID is not fractal based; it uses wavelets (and arithmetic encoding) - you can't copyright algorithms; the MrSID source code certainly is, however - MrSID relies on a number of patents, not all of which are owned by LizardTech -

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

2009-08-20 Thread Eric Wolf
Thanks for the clarification, Michael! And your comments about IP may also add to the paper I am developing (or another). I have a theme I plan to develop at some point - mostly dealing with the inherent limitations of copyrighted software in an era of cloud computing... -Eric

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

2009-08-20 Thread Landon Blake
MPG: Thanks for the clarification. When you said there is today no open source implementation of JP2 that is suitable for geo work do you mean that there is no open source library that can read and write JP2? If so, who is using the format? Do you know why there hasn't been a broader

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

2009-08-20 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Landon asked: When you said there is today no open source implementation of JP2 that is suitable for geo work do you mean that there is no open source library that can read and write JP2? If so, who is using the format? There are a few implementations of JP2 around. The Kakadu library,

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

2009-08-20 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I'll mention too the question of patents and JP2, since this thread is bound to get into THAT issue too before long :-) Some of the algorithms within the JP2 standard (from ISO) are patented. However, the companies in question have agreed to not exercise their rights on those patents for

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

2009-08-20 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 01:57:16PM -0700, Landon Blake wrote: MPG: Thanks for the clarification. When you said there is today no open source implementation of JP2 that is suitable for geo work do you mean that there is no open source library that can read and write JP2? If so, who is

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms

2009-08-20 Thread Landon Blake
Good post Christopher. I will think about what you have said. In the meantime, I won't be using any big images. :] Landon Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-08-20 Thread Bruce Bannerman
IMO: Just another thought on this issue (though we do seem to be recycling arguments over the years...): Assuming that I have a very large archive of spatial data, be it imagery or any other spatial format and that I store my data in a variety of proprietary formats: In ten years from

[OSGeo-Discuss] Please Share: AWRA Announces Call for Abstracts for GIS in Water Resources Conference

2009-08-20 Thread Daniel Ames
(With apologies for cross posting... Please see the below announcement for the biannual GIS in Water Resources conference of the American Water Resources Association in March 2010 in Orlando Florida. This conference has had a growing representation of projects from the OPEN SOURCE GIS world and it