Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-20 Thread Luis W. Sevilla
Hi again, Gabi, shouldn't it be a good compromise to have an spatial index added to GML+BXML ? greetings Luis Gabriel Roldán wrote: >Hi all, > >nice thread, I've went roughly through half of it yet, so my concern could be >already addressed, apologies if so. > >It seems to me a sin

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-19 Thread Luis W. Sevilla
Thanks for the note. I've forwarded to the person in charge of the project for study. greetings Luis Raj Singh wrote: > Luis, good to hear support for a GML version of Peter Vretanos' BXML. > When we were working on the WFS Simple API last year Peter and I did > some more work on it h

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-18 Thread Raj Singh
Luis, good to hear support for a GML version of Peter Vretanos' BXML. When we were working on the WFS Simple API last year Peter and I did some more work on it here: http://www.ogcnetwork.net/node/189 (schema and examples) I think it's slightly different (simpler and geometry harmonized with

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-17 Thread Luis W. Sevilla
Hi, +1 for GML with BXML encoding as next open standard. GML 3.* with his ability to be 'profiled' seems to be on the base of almost all and every OGC norm being proposed on last 2-3 years. As Rob Atkinson said to me, BXML may be an encoding for GML, in a way no standard needs to be modifyed to

When *is* a format 'open'? (was Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format)

2007-11-17 Thread Jo Walsh
dear all, On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 04:17:18PM -0500, Sampson, David wrote: > Besides, if you want wide adoption of an open format then why not go for > those players who hold greatest market share. When is a format an open format? We know an "open license" can be one complying to the OSI open licen

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-16 Thread Paul Spencer
Cubewerx created a binary XML implementation that is open source. They claim substantial benefits, so perhaps GML plus a binary XML library could be an alternative? http://www.cubewerx.com/web/guest/bxml Cheers Paul On 15-Nov-07, at 5:21 PM, Lucena, Ivan wrote: Sampson, I am not a GML

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-15 Thread Lucena, Ivan
Sampson, I am not a GML guru and I don't know if a binary version exists already, but I would imagine that HDF5 would be a excellent choice by its own hierarchical nature. I mean, we can use GML as a schema to store the data in binary format in the HDF5 format. Best regards, Ivan Sampson,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-15 Thread Jody Garnett
Why not make it on the H2 database ;-) or Derby (both have been proposed on the java lists recently); Seriously choosing a language specific format is not the most fun idea. Cheers, Jody So, I am thinking, Shapefile is the de facto data standard for GIS data. That it is open (albeit not Free) a

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-15 Thread Sampson, David
Alright, Here are some other thoughts. First off what about a open office (open base) type approach... This mimmics the ESRI MSAccess approach and seams to work well for non server environments. Also open office is a good environment for some basic applications. Next, what ever happened to the a

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-13 Thread P Kishor
On 11/13/07, Frank Warmerdam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > P Kishor wrote: > > So, I am thinking, Shapefile is the de facto data standard for GIS > > data. That it is open (albeit not Free) along with the deep and wide > > presence of ESRI's products from the beginning of the epoch, it has > > been

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-13 Thread Gary Sherman
On Nov 13, 2007, at 6:42 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote: o RDBMS style operations like SQL filtering, joins, etc. o Get past all the shapefile limitations related to the .dbf format (very restricted data types, short attribute names, lots of other limits) o Allow storing many layers in one file.

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-13 Thread Landon Blake
D] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:13 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new,open data format On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:42:12AM -0800, Landon Blake wrote: >

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-13 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:42:12AM -0800, Landon Blake wrote: > > You wrote: " that would be completely Free, > single-file based (instead of the multiple .shp, .dbf, .shx, etc..." > > Is there a problem with a multiple file format? I have tinkered with > some different binary file formats, and i

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-13 Thread Stephen Woodbridge
P Kishor wrote: So, I am thinking, Shapefile is the de facto data standard for GIS data. That it is open (albeit not Free) along with the deep and wide presence of ESRI's products from the beginning of the epoch, it has been widely adopted. Existence of shapelib, various language bindings, and re

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-13 Thread blammo
All, My two cents worth . . . . Interesting thread, and timely too. I had a discussion yesterday about using SDF as a neutral format. I'm kinda wondering though what the end use something like this is intended for. Is it to store a dataset by a user of for serving the data via the web

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-13 Thread Landon Blake
7:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; OSGeo Discussions Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new,open data format Puneet, You wrote: "Is this too crazy?" I don't think this idea is crazy at all. In fact, I think it is a very good idea. I do have a couple of com

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-13 Thread Paul Spencer
this sounds like the SDF format, although I am not sure that SDF is open source - there is an open source implementation as part of FDO (http://fdo.osgeo.org/fdosdf/index.html ) Paul On 13-Nov-07, at 9:52 AM, P Kishor wrote: So, I am thinking, Shapefile is the de facto data standard for GIS

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-13 Thread Landon Blake
Puneet, You wrote: "Is this too crazy?" I don't think this idea is crazy at all. In fact, I think it is a very good idea. I do have a couple of comments, which you can read below: You wrote: "What if we came up with a new and improved data format -- call it "Open Shapefile" (extension .osh)..."

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-13 Thread Frank Warmerdam
P Kishor wrote: So, I am thinking, Shapefile is the de facto data standard for GIS data. That it is open (albeit not Free) along with the deep and wide presence of ESRI's products from the beginning of the epoch, it has been widely adopted. Existence of shapelib, various language bindings, and re

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] idea for an OSGeo project -- a new, open data format

2007-11-13 Thread Dave McIlhagga
Puneet: I believe you've just described the SDF format (open, based on SQL lite) that is currently in use by FDO / MapGuide. Some info from a post from Jason Birch a while back: "To bring us back to the start of this post, the one item on this list that I think may get overlooked is suppor