Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-10 Thread toby10
MrSinatra;289716 Wrote: i have no idea how shoutcast.com references my streams... i saved my websites links of the URLS to my streams in SC7 and never had an issue. shoutcast.com is not the way to go, get the url from the source. Yeah, I do try going direct to the source, *if* it's

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-09 Thread funkstar
WikiRadio any use to you? http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?WikiRadio -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread:

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-09 Thread Espen
I guess in 50 years (hopefully much sooner), people are going look back and laugh of the situation as it is today. I guess the main reason why addresses change is that it does not affect the revenue of the broadcaster. Had it done so, they would have been a lot more careful. -- Espen

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-09 Thread toby10
SuperQ;289267 Wrote: ...This is why shoutcast got popular, they provide a central clearing house for searching for various stations, and standardized stream links. Well, yes and no. :) If you save a ShoutCast feed to your favorites (SC7 or SN) it will eventually stop working.

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-09 Thread toby10
funkstar;289425 Wrote: WikiRadio any use to you? http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?WikiRadio WR is a great resource, but it doesn't help the problem of stations changing their URL's. If someone posted an OPML list of stations 30 days ago and some of those stations have changed URL's

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-09 Thread funkstar
toby10;289437 Wrote: WR is a great resource, but it doesn't help the problem of stations changing their URL's. If someone posted an OPML list of stations 30 days ago and some of those stations have changed URL's you again have dead links. The OPML poster could go back in and update the

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-09 Thread toby10
funkstar;289460 Wrote: Thats very true, but at some point in that 30 day period, someone else may have tried to tune to one of those feeds and then corrected them to the new URLs. It doesn't garantee that you won't get errors, but it does reduce the likelyhood. The more poeple that use the

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-09 Thread MrSinatra
my stations shoutcast links have been the same IP address since we originally set them up. (several years ago, 2003 maybe?) they may eventually change once, but if they do, that should be the last change i can forsee. i am also thinking about setting them up as sub-domains so that if you have

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-09 Thread radish
I think it's important to distinguish between stations here as well. Stations which only exist online generally understand how the internet works and understand that they need to make their content easily available to a wide range of software and devices. Take a look at someone like di.fm, nice

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-09 Thread toby10
MrSinatra;289473 Wrote: my stations shoutcast links have been the same IP address since we originally set them up. (several years ago, 2003 maybe?) they may eventually change once, but if they do, that should be the last change i can forsee. i am also thinking about setting them up as

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-09 Thread andyg
What URL is saved in your favorites? A www.shoutcast.com URL with a station ID? -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread:

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-09 Thread toby10
andyg;289575 Wrote: What URL is saved in your favorites? A www.shoutcast.com URL with a station ID? Hiya Andy. I'll try to post a more updated list but here is from my post a while ago: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40322 Since my previous post in here I have been trying

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-09 Thread andyg
IIRC the Shoutcast station IDs are not permanent and so if you save a favorite with one of those URLs it may point to a completely different station at a later date. Nothing we can do about that. -- andyg andyg's

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-09 Thread aubuti
radish;289475 Wrote: They assume (or prefer) that everyone gets their stream using the (IE only) embedded player in their website full of ads. They see the site as the money maker and the stream as the lure to get you there. They actually don't want you to listen from your SB3 or whatever,

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-09 Thread toby10
andyg;289575 Wrote: What URL is saved in your favorites? A www.shoutcast.com URL with a station ID? Here are a few more from my SN account, but I have more dead ShoutCast links if you want them :). Some of these links died with days, others took weeks, but all died eventually. For

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-09 Thread toby10
andyg;289588 Wrote: IIRC the Shoutcast station IDs are not permanent and so if you save a favorite with one of those URLs it may point to a completely different station at a later date. Nothing we can do about that. That's what I was remembering from one of your previous posts. :) Brain

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-09 Thread toby10
andyg;289599 Wrote: Yeah, and the majority of stations on Shoutcast are probably short-lived anyway, so there is not really anything they can do to fix the problem on their end. Maybe they could do something like Live365 does and send you to an audio error like This station is no longer

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-09 Thread andyg
Yeah, and the majority of stations on Shoutcast are probably short-lived anyway, so there is not really anything they can do to fix the problem on their end. Maybe they could do something like Live365 does and send you to an audio error like This station is no longer broadcasting. -- andyg

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-09 Thread MrSinatra
toby10;289566 Wrote: Are your ShoutCast feeds that have not changed for years been saved by you in your favorites? Or do you mean you go to the ShoutCast SB Browse interface? I have probably 20 ShoutCast stations saved to my SN favorites from last summer and not a single one still

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-08 Thread SuperQ
This is why people invited feed readers.. they were tired of having to dig around to get pages that updated regularly. This is why shoutcast got popular, they provide a central clearing house for searching for various stations, and standardized stream links. -- SuperQ

[slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-07 Thread JJZolx
I'm not talking about SqueezeCenter's implementation. That's fine and it's taken a lot of work to get it to where it is today. I'm talking about what's out there and the consistency and reliability of the URLs. A month or two ago I set up about 10 radio stations under Favorites. Some local

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-07 Thread SuperQ
Yup, people randomly change URLs on the internet. Would you like it if you had to notify the FCC every time you wanted a new URL, or to change a URL? I guess it would make Google's life easier, they would just have to get an update feed from the FCC. ;-) -- SuperQ

Re: [slim] Internet Radio - Not ready for prime time

2008-04-07 Thread JJZolx
SuperQ;288827 Wrote: Yup, people randomly change URLs on the internet. Would you like it if you had to notify the FCC every time you wanted a new URL, or to change a URL? No, just venting my frustration. Until the radio stations themselves realize that the URLs need to remain stable, then