Re: [discuss] How should OOo deal with ods-spreadsheets produced by Excel 2010?

2010-04-20 Thread Mike Scott
Regina Henschel wrote: I notice, that most commentators rail against Microsoft. But that does not help our Calc users, when they get such a document. If a user gets an xls or xlsx document, it is clear to him, that there might be some differences to ods. But if he gets an ods document, the

[discuss] Oracle now charging $90 for Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office

2010-04-20 Thread Sean Carlos
It's free here: http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/ "Get it now FREE" button but bait and switch, $90 here: http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/get.jsp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffic

Re: [discuss] Oracle now charging $90 for Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office

2010-04-20 Thread John W Kennedy
On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:42 AM, Sean Carlos wrote: > > It's free here: > > http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/ > > "Get it now FREE" button > > but bait and switch, $90 here: > > http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/get.jsp $9000, actually, since they have a minimum order of 10

Re: [discuss] Apology: OOo is not a copy of MS Office [was: ODF icons - possible compromise?]

2010-04-20 Thread Lars Nooden
On 04/19/2010 11:39 PM, Dr. Bernhard Dippold wrote: I thought my reply to your mail showed what I really meant. It might, it might not. Now I used the word "copy" again ... Regardless of the string of letters used, copy by any other name has the same meaning semantically. So when you mea

Re: [discuss] Oracle now charging $90 for Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office

2010-04-20 Thread Lars Nooden
On 04/20/2010 04:53 PM, John W Kennedy wrote: $9000, actually, since they have a minimum order of 100. They're also charging, also with minimum orders, for what they call "Oracle Open Office". Which brings up some interesting problems with marketing confusion. /Lars --

Re: [discuss] Apology: OOo is not a copy of MS Office [was: ODF icons - possible compromise?]

2010-04-20 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Lars, please stop this. Bernhard is a long-term, volunteer contributor, and did many invaluable things for the project. Painting him as what you did, is way out of line. He was just going out of his way to apologize. Thanks, -- Thorsten pgpZPNrZaGTDH.pgp Description: PGP signature

[discuss] Re: Oracle now charging $90 for Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office

2010-04-20 Thread NoOp
On 04/20/2010 06:53 AM, John W Kennedy wrote: > > On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:42 AM, Sean Carlos wrote: > >> >> It's free here: >> >> http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/ >> >> "Get it now FREE" button >> >> but bait and switch, $90 here: >> >> http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/g

Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org and OpenDocument Format

2010-04-20 Thread James E. Lang
Top posted as in _this_ instance that is more appropriate. My first reaction while still reading this proposal was the same as Noop's. That is because I had not read the whole proposal yet. Jean-Baptiste's proposal has great merit. My experience with files that needed to be available for a Wi

[discuss] Re: Oracle now charging $90 for Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office

2010-04-20 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2010/04/20 1:12 PM NoOp wrote: On 04/20/2010 06:53 AM, John W Kennedy wrote: On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:42 AM, Sean Carlos wrote: It's free here: http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/ "Get it now FREE" button but bait and switch, $90 here: http://www.sun.com/software/star/o

[discuss] Re: Oracle now charging $90 for Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office

2010-04-20 Thread NoOp
On 04/20/2010 12:52 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: > On 2010/04/20 1:12 PM NoOp wrote: >> On 04/20/2010 06:53 AM, John W Kennedy wrote: >> >>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:42 AM, Sean Carlos wrote: >>> >>> It's free here: http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/ "Get it no

Re: [discuss] Re: Oracle now charging $90 for Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office

2010-04-20 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 20/04/2010 21:46, NoOp wrote: However, if you want the ODF plugin, here's the minimum: * Oracle ODF Plug-in for Microsoft Office (Application User; Perpetual) * $9,000.00 * Quantity: 100. * First Year Support $1,980.00 Total items: 1 $10,980.00 So it's actu

Re: [discuss] Re: Oracle now charging $90 for Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office

2010-04-20 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: > On 20/04/2010 21:46, NoOp wrote: >> >> However, if you want the ODF plugin, here's the minimum: >> >>     * Oracle ODF Plug-in for Microsoft Office (Application User; >> Perpetual) >>     * $9,000.00 >>     * Quantity: 100. >>     * >

Re: [discuss] Re: Oracle now charging $90 for Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office

2010-04-20 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 20/04/2010 22:22, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 20/04/2010 21:46, NoOp wrote: However, if you want the ODF plugin, here's the minimum: * Oracle ODF Plug-in for Microsoft Office (Application User; Perpetual) *

Re: [discuss] Re: Oracle now charging $90 for Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office

2010-04-20 Thread RA Brown
Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: That's a REALLY REALLY STUPID marketing decision. Seeing that the MS Office 2007 SP2 "implementation" of ODF is broken, the only way of ensuring that an ODF document opens correctly in MS Office 2007 is by using the plugin. Do they WANT to convert people from MS

Re: [discuss] Oracle now charging $90 for Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office

2010-04-20 Thread jonathon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sean Carlos wrote: > > It's free here: > > http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/ > > "Get it now FREE" button No "Get it now Free" button when I go to that URL. jonathon - -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Nu

[discuss] Re: Oracle now charging $90 for Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office

2010-04-20 Thread NoOp
On 04/20/2010 01:59 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: ... > > That's a REALLY REALLY STUPID marketing decision. Seeing that the MS > Office 2007 SP2 "implementation" of ODF is broken, the only way of > ensuring that an ODF document opens correctly in MS Office 2007 is by > using the plugin. > Do

[discuss] Removing ODF "Save As" function in MS Office

2010-04-20 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
I'm on a thread in the MS Forums where the OP is wanting to remove the ODF "Save As" function from Office 2007 "for legal reasons". (His explanation). I've asked him if he can say WHAT this "legal reason" might be. (None that I can think of...) and I'll report back if I get an answer... --

Re: [discuss] Oracle now charging $90 for Sun ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office

2010-04-20 Thread Mike Scott
jonathon wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sean Carlos wrote: It's free here: http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/ "Get it now FREE" button No "Get it now Free" button when I go to that URL. It did yesterday - I looked. Today, it now says "ODF Plugin licensing