Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-19 Thread jonathon
On 10/19/2010 08:38 AM, Ramon Sole wrote: > But if the roles on TDF has to be based in contributions or meritocracy, > Oracle contributes about 80% of the programmers; furthermore most of Try fifty percent. But then, that percentage includes the code that Sun, and then Oracle point blank refused

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-19 Thread Christian Lippka
Hi Ramon, Am 19.10.2010 10:38, schrieb Ramon Sole: Hello * since the TDF has always offered Oracle to join the new Community and donate his intellectual property is obvious the fork has been made because there's a fight for who rules the Community, that's all. If Oracle had joined TDF (obvious

Re: Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-19 Thread Ramon Sole
Hello * since the TDF has always offered Oracle to join the new Community and donate his intellectual property is obvious the fork has been made because there's a fight for who rules the Community, that's all. If Oracle had joined TDF (obviously dragging the rest of the OOo Community members), th

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-17 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, Am 18.10.2010 00:04, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile: Because by reading http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2010-September/02.html I count 5 from Novell and 1 from RedHat among the "Present" and "Invited". I have been invited to the next meetings (but being away at a cus

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-17 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hello André, On Sunday 17 October 2010, 16:39, André Schnabel wrote: > Hi, > > Am 17.10.2010 19:24, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile: > > I am not that naive. > > Do you think that some people on LO do not have commercial interests? and > > are not "primarily thinking of their commercial interests"?

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-17 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, Am 17.10.2010 19:24, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile: I am not that naive. Do you think that some people on LO do not have commercial interests? and are not "primarily thinking of their commercial interests"? An example of commercial interests are the certifications: http://www.documentfou

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-17 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hello Zaphod, On Sunday 17 October 2010, 13:29, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: > > > There's nothing to stop you joining the community and still having your > > > own flavour of this great package. > > > > > > It's good karma for all concerned if you do this ;-) > > > > I am astonished by the naïveté

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-17 Thread Zaphod Feeblejocks
> > There's nothing to stop you joining the community and still having your > > own flavour of this great package. > > > > It's good karma for all concerned if you do this ;-) > > I am astonished by the naïveté of comments like this. Sorry for astonishing you. I do indeed follow the LibO list.

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-13 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Ariel, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote (13-10-10 02:33) And when you look at http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ you will see quite some people that definitely would not have joined a roadmap with go-oo in another name. yes, I know that. That's why I was/am rather surprised. I must

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-13 Thread Sophie Gautier
Hi, On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: > Hi Ariel, > > Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote (12-10-10 02:08) > >> You can look at the Minutes of first LibreOffice technical group call >> >> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2010-September/02.html >> >> LibreOffice's tec

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-13 Thread Thomas Lange - Oracle
Hi, On 11.10.2010 18:33, RA Brown wrote: > On Mon Oct 11 2010 09:24:56 GMT-0700 (PDT) Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: >> Come on, Oracle, do the decent thing. >> >> Release all the code, trademarks, everything to OOo back to the >> community, currently called LibreOffice. >> >> If you do - lots of

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-12 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hello Cor, On Tuesday 12 October 2010, 17:00, Cor Nouws wrote: > > You can look at the Minutes of first LibreOffice technical group call > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2010-September/02.h > > tml > > > > LibreOffice's technical group seems to be basically Go-oo with ano

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-12 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Ariel, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote (12-10-10 02:08) You can look at the Minutes of first LibreOffice technical group call http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2010-September/02.html LibreOffice's technical group seems to be basically Go-oo with another name... http://go-oo.

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-12 Thread Daniel Veillard
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:41:14AM +0200, Christian Lippka wrote: > Am 11.10.2010 18:33, schrieb RA Brown: > >On Mon Oct 11 2010 09:24:56 GMT-0700 (PDT) Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: > > > >Great post but I doubt that anyone at Oracle reads this list. > guess again. So what are you gonna do about i

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-12 Thread Carl Shewmaker
--- On Tue, 10/12/10, Christian Lippka wrote: From: Christian Lippka Subject: Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community... To: discuss@openoffice.org Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 3:41 AM Am 11.10.2010 18:33, schrieb RA Brown: > On Mon Oct 11 2010 09:24:56 GMT-0

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-12 Thread Christian Lippka
Am 11.10.2010 18:33, schrieb RA Brown: On Mon Oct 11 2010 09:24:56 GMT-0700 (PDT) Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: Great post but I doubt that anyone at Oracle reads this list. guess again. Regards, Christian - To unsubscribe, e-ma

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-12 Thread Simon Brouwer
Ariel Constenla-Haile schreef: > I'm not sure yet if TDF is the "Community", I did not make up my mind yet. > But why should Oracle give up everything to Go-oo under another name? +1 Besides, I wonder what the OP means when requesting Oracle to give up "the code". Since the beginning of the OOo

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-11 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Monday 11 October 2010, 13:24, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: > Come on, Oracle, do the decent thing. > > Release all the code, trademarks, everything to OOo back to the > community, currently called LibreOffice. > > If you do - lots of people will thank you. Even the ones who keep going > to Open

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-11 Thread RA Brown
On Mon Oct 11 2010 11:06:15 GMT-0700 (PDT) Carl Shewmaker wrote: I mostly lurk and learn from this list, although I sometimes submit an answer to a question if I think it would be helpful. Small contribution to the community to which like to feel I belong. I also talk up Open Office (and Li

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-11 Thread Carl Shewmaker
--- On Mon, 10/11/10, David B Teague wrote: From: David B Teague Subject: Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community... To: discuss@openoffice.org Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 12:33 PM On 10/11/2010 12:33 PM, RA Brown wrote: > > Great post but I doubt that any

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-11 Thread David B Teague
On 10/11/2010 12:33 PM, RA Brown wrote: Great post but I doubt that anyone at Oracle reads this list. If they do I rally doubt they care what anyone here has to say. It is sad but a fact we have learned to live with. :( If we could convince Oracle's bosses that releasing the source and do

Re: [discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-11 Thread RA Brown
On Mon Oct 11 2010 09:24:56 GMT-0700 (PDT) Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: Come on, Oracle, do the decent thing. Release all the code, trademarks, everything to OOo back to the community, currently called LibreOffice. If you do - lots of people will thank you. Even the ones who keep going to OpenOf

[discuss] Oracle dropping OO.org and joining the community...

2010-10-11 Thread Zaphod Feeblejocks
Come on, Oracle, do the decent thing. Release all the code, trademarks, everything to OOo back to the community, currently called LibreOffice. If you do - lots of people will thank you. Even the ones who keep going to OpenOffice.org and don't realise it has changed ownership. If you don't - the