Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread Markus Heller
my experiments with an arbitrary GPS module offering a PPS discipline showed that it is easily archievable to create a local clock (ntpd based) with a clock precision of 1 microsecond even with cheap low-power soc computers: I was using a Raspberry Pi. The most interesting finding was the clock d

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread Markus Heller
In case of a multilateration attempt, please consider this presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km4TU17b05s vy73 markus dl8rds Am Donnerstag, den 17.08.2017, 01:52 +1000 schrieb vk4...@tech-software.net: > Are you trying to do MultiLateration using software defined radio ? > > > -

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread Marcus Müller
10 ms timing certainty is actually pretty hard to achieve across USB2! But: as far as I can see, it'd be rather easy to say, tune both sticks to DVB-T, cross-correlate to find the relative offset, tune to the frequency of interest and work from there. That is, if the delay spread in the cellular ch

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread Vitt Benv
In my experience "rf inserting" 1pps into early receiver (sampler) stages, maybe "coding" timing with 1pps && 10Hz, all derived from gps reference. This "affect" the signal under analysis but that can be do only periodically... for multilateration ;-) Victor Il 16 ago 2017 19:45, ha scritto: >

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread b . shubenok
No. On Thu, 2017-08-17 at 01:52 +1000, vk4...@tech-software.net wrote: > Are you trying to do MultiLateration using software defined radio ? > ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnu

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread b . shubenok
Say we need +-10ms accuracy in timestamps. Precision Time Protocol in LAN should sync PC's clocks with enough accuracy. And then using USRP-like methods - set current/start time - get first sample in known time? Of course USB will add undetermined delays but no external GPS required. On Wed, 20

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Software Defined Radio Academy 2017

2017-08-16 Thread Andrew Rich
I have some watching to do Can I watch them in parallel ! Sent from my iPhone > On 17 Aug 2017, at 2:03 am, Markus Heller wrote: > > Dear list, > > please note that we have uploaded the recordings of all the talks of > the Software Defined Radio Academy 2017 into our Youtube channel: > > ht

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread mleech
I have time-synchronized RTLSDRs using a known, pseudo-random, sequence injected into the RX inputs using directional couplers. These all had a common clock so they wouldn't drift apart. On 2017-08-16 11:57, Derek Kozel wrote: > It should be pointed out that the hardware based timestamping is

[Discuss-gnuradio] Software Defined Radio Academy 2017

2017-08-16 Thread Markus Heller
Dear list, please note that we have uploaded the recordings of all the talks of the Software Defined Radio Academy 2017 into our Youtube channel: http://youtube.sdra.io (=forwarder to our channel) I have just created a playlist of this year's event. The presentations will follow soon on our webs

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread Derek Kozel
It should be pointed out that the hardware based timestamping is only needed if you need time alignment better than a half second or so. With USB transfers, various buffers, NTP based alignment of the host computer's time, and some extra code on the host side you could do a coarse time alignment, p

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread vk4tec
Are you trying to do MultiLateration using software defined radio ? -Original Message- From: Sylvain Munaut [mailto:246...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 1:20 AM To: b.shube...@sirinsoftware.com Cc: vk4...@tech-software.net; GNURadio Discussion List Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnu

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread Sylvain Munaut
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, wrote: > What type of hardware? I thought from hardware point of view only precise > clock is required and all the other things in > firmware. I've naively thought i could modify hackrf firmware to get this > feature. Mostly a FPGA and a PPS input from a GPS re

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread b . shubenok
What type of hardware? I thought from hardware point of view only precise clock is required and all the other things in firmware. I've naively thought i could modify hackrf firmware to get this feature. On Wed, 2017-08-16 at 17:04 +0200, Sylvain Munaut wrote: > The USRP have dedicated hardware t

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread vk4tec
$30 vs $300 $3000 -Original Message- From: Sylvain Munaut [mailto:246...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 1:04 AM To: b.shube...@sirinsoftware.com Cc: vk4...@tech-software.net; GNURadio Discussion List Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different compu

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread Sylvain Munaut
The USRP have dedicated hardware to support that kind of stuff, the rtl-sdr and hackrf do not. That's the kind of advanced features that are cut to reduce the price ... Cheers, Sylvain ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread b . shubenok
In two words - receive signal in two points in space and process them accordingly to timestamps. On Wed, 2017-08-16 at 23:40 +1000, vk4...@tech-software.net wrote: > RTL-SDR has no time - it's a dumb A/D with a XTAL > > Same with Hack RF > > What ru trying to do > > A > > -Original Messag

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread vk4tec
RTL-SDR has no time - it's a dumb A/D with a XTAL Same with Hack RF What ru trying to do A -Original Message- From: Discuss-gnuradio [mailto:discuss-gnuradio-bounces+vk4tec=tech-software@gnu.org] On Behalf Of b.shube...@sirinsoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, 16 August 2017 11:22 PM To:

[Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread b . shubenok
Hi, Reading through archive I've found a thread describing how to sync time between two USRPs on different computers using set_time_now and set_start_time methods. Unfortunately I have only RTL-SDR now (and will have HackRF in a few weeks). As far as I can see there are no such methods in RTL-SD

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] GNU Radio .grc repository

2017-08-16 Thread Andrew Rich
Thats awesome lots of examples Sent from my iPhone > On 16 Aug 2017, at 9:13 pm, Marcus Müller wrote: > > Hi Andrew, > > the latter. Makes more sense – if the project is a dependency of a flow > graph, or the flowgraph is the reason the module exists in the first > place, makes no sense to ha

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] GNU Radio .grc repository

2017-08-16 Thread Marcus Müller
Hi Andrew, the latter. Makes more sense – if the project is a dependency of a flow graph, or the flowgraph is the reason the module exists in the first place, makes no sense to have it centralized elsewhere; if the flowgraph is sufficiently complex, it very often happens that you'd end up wanting

[Discuss-gnuradio] GNU Radio .grc repository

2017-08-16 Thread vk4tec
Hello Is there a global repository of .grc files ? Or do we just rely on examples that come with each project ? Andrew ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnuradio

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Resampling (was: Help understanding AX.25 encoding and tagged streams)

2017-08-16 Thread Marcus Müller
Hi Cinaed, On 08/16/2017 04:14 AM, Cinaed Simson wrote: I would replace the 2 serial rational resamplers with one, namely, (8/1)*(40/614400)=(8/1)*400/614.4) = 5.208/1 or 15.625/3 That is, interpolate by 15.625 decimate by 3. By which you mean "interpolate by 15625 and