Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-19 Thread Tim Newman
x27;s a necessity for gnuradio to > > progress beyond its current state. > > Almohanad (Al) Fayez > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrew Davis > > To: Jens Elsner ; discuss-gnuradio > > > > Sent: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 9:0

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-17 Thread Andrew Davis
te. > Almohanad (Al) Fayez > > > -Original Message- > From: Andrew Davis > To: Jens Elsner ; discuss-gnuradio > > Sent: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 9:03 am > Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc > >>I don't agree. We'll hopef

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-17 Thread Almohanad Fayez
tside the scope of a GSoC project but it's a necessity for gnuradio to progress beyond its current state. Almohanad (Al) Fayez -Original Message- From: Andrew Davis To: Jens Elsner ; discuss-gnuradio Sent: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 9:03 am Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Rad

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-16 Thread Andrew Davis
>I don't agree. We'll hopefully settle the matter some day. :-) Me too, DREAM is an amazing SDR program that could benefit from GNURadio and show off GNURadio as-well. But this idea has been batted around before and never really develops, possibly due to the way GNURadio is currently setup. When I

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-16 Thread Jens Elsner
Andrew, Am 15.02.2012 19:41, schrieb Andrew Davis: Well some major GNUradio program would drive up sales of USRP's :) Back on topic, IMHO Gnuradio's problem with large apps stems from it trying to be the source to sink and everything in between of a radio. Lets take DREAM for example, they d

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-15 Thread Tom Rondeau
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:52 AM, George Nychis wrote: > A bit late on this conversation... I just noticed it after I posted an > update for CGRAN. > > GNU Radio has been largely successful in the academic community, because > it provides us the flexibility to perform the style of research we nee

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-15 Thread Philip Balister
On 02/15/2012 09:41 AM, Jeff Brower wrote: > Ed- > >> On 2/15/12 11:31 AM, Jeff Brower wrote: >>> GNU Radio is owned by National Instruments . >> >> ! >> >> You are confusing GnuRadio with Ettus Research. >> >> GnuRadio is an open source SDR framework. >> >> Ettus is the

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-15 Thread Andrew Davis
Well some major GNUradio program would drive up sales of USRP's :) Back on topic, IMHO Gnuradio's problem with large apps stems from it trying to be the source to sink and everything in between of a radio. Lets take DREAM for example, they do transfer functions and digital AGC and the likes that G

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-15 Thread Ben Hilburn
Jeff - > All understood. Demos that highlight GNU Radio's tremendous progress are > crucial to its long-term success. But > nevertheless Clark makes a crucial point. GNU Radio is owned by National > Instruments and I might guess their sales > guys are not too happy with this thread. Erm, wha

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-15 Thread Jeff Brower
Ed- > On 2/15/12 11:31 AM, Jeff Brower wrote: > > GNU Radio is owned by National Instruments . > > ! > > You are confusing GnuRadio with Ettus Research. > > GnuRadio is an open source SDR framework. > > Ettus is the manufacturer of the USRP series of hardware > and th

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-15 Thread Ed Criscuolo
On 2/15/12 11:31 AM, Jeff Brower wrote: GNU Radio is owned by National Instruments . ! You are confusing GnuRadio with Ettus Research. GnuRadio is an open source SDR framework. Ettus is the manufacturer of the USRP series of hardware and the UHD driver libraries to

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-15 Thread Jeff Brower
Martin- > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 09:11:19AM -0500, Clark Pope wrote: >> Without a monetization strategy I don't see how the gnu radio project gets >> much past its current state. The problem >> is the functionality of a prototyper or student is implemented in about 20% >> of the effort for a fu

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-15 Thread George Nychis
A bit late on this conversation... I just noticed it after I posted an update for CGRAN. GNU Radio has been largely successful in the academic community, because it provides us the flexibility to perform the style of research we need. Ultimately though, the limitations of the framework that were

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-15 Thread Martin Braun
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 09:11:19AM -0500, Clark Pope wrote: > Without a monetization strategy I don't see how the gnu radio project gets > much past its current state. The problem is the functionality of a prototyper > or student is implemented in about 20% of the effort for a full application.

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-15 Thread Martin Braun
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 04:13:30PM -0500, Tom Rondeau wrote: > "Everything's shiny, Cap'n. Not to fret" > > That was just a little something for the Firefly fans in the audience. You've just received +10 geek cred plus a personal "favourite OSS project leader of the month" award from myself :) S

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-14 Thread Tom Rondeau
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Paul Miller wrote: > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 09:59:45AM +0100, Martin Braun wrote: > > One way to remedy this might be GSoC. Developing a nice application, > > I'm a little surprised by this discussion. I think GNU Radio is > positively amazing for prototyping, te

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-14 Thread Tom Rondeau
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:26 AM, wrote: > ** > > Tom makes the point that Gnu Radio isn't "shiny". Indeed, it isn't. > "Everything's shiny, Cap'n. Not to fret" That was just a little something for the Firefly fans in the audience. Good perspectives, everyone, thanks! Some people arrive at G

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-14 Thread mleech
The "you'd have to get all the dependencies right" is no different than any other advanced application out there. Things like "gimp" and "blender" and a whole whack of others these days have a huge dependency tree. Gnu Radio is no different. I have software that I sell that uses a little bi

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-14 Thread Paul Miller
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 09:59:45AM +0100, Martin Braun wrote: > One way to remedy this might be GSoC. Developing a nice application, I'm a little surprised by this discussion. I think GNU Radio is positively amazing for prototyping, testing, and academic purposes. I can't imagine making finished

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:26 AM, wrote: > Tom makes the point that Gnu Radio isn't "shiny".  Indeed, it isn't. > > Some people arrive at Gnu Radio expecting that it is an "end application", > and walk away badly disappointed. They have in their mind a firm notion of > what constitutes a "radio",

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-14 Thread mleech
Tom makes the point that Gnu Radio isn't "shiny". Indeed, it isn't. Some people arrive at Gnu Radio expecting that it is an "end application", and walk away badly disappointed. They have in their mind a firm notion of what constitutes a "radio", and fully expect that Gnu Radio *is* that "radi

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-14 Thread Rafael Diniz
I really think that projects like the ones in CGRAN have great value. The key point in my option is to implement some widely used standards _using_ the gnuradio framework. As examples I'd say TV broadcast standards like DVB, ISDB-Tb, radio standards like DAB, DRM, ..., this will greatly improve Gn

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-14 Thread Clark Pope
Without a monetization strategy I don't see how the gnu radio project gets much past its current state. The problem is the functionality of a prototyper or student is implemented in about 20% of the effort for a full application. The documentation, testing, deployment, and maintenance of a real

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-14 Thread Rachel Kroll
On Feb 14, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Martin Braun wrote: > for those who haven't yet read Tom's recent blog post, I recommend > it--in a sentence, the lack of applications is hurting GNU Radio, and I > couldn't agree more. How about a whole web application which would not exist without GNU Radio? http

[Discuss-gnuradio] "GNU Radio is crap" and GSoc

2012-02-14 Thread Martin Braun
Hi, for those who haven't yet read Tom's recent blog post, I recommend it--in a sentence, the lack of applications is hurting GNU Radio, and I couldn't agree more. One way to remedy this might be GSoC. Developing a nice application, paid by Google... doesn't that sound like the perfect thing to d