Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Channel Model block - Epsilon effect on band edges

2015-06-18 Thread Murphy, John
On further thought, not all resamplers need filters. In fact this may be about the ideal case where a resampler does not need a filter. If you are resampling a signal that does extend fully to the band edge, and your resample ratio is close enough to unity to avoid aliasing at the target new rate,

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Channel Model block - Epsilon effect on band edges

2015-06-18 Thread Murphy, John
eh, nevermind, hit send too quickly on a long day (decimators are probably a special case, but rational resamplers when they interpolate are going to generate aliases that fold back in band when decimated, so yeah never mind) John Murphy jmur...@comsonics.com On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 1:20 PM,

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Channel Model block - Epsilon effect on band edges

2015-06-17 Thread Murphy, John
I uploaded a pair of images to show. http://imgur.com/a/qAtEX#1 This is with an Epsilon of 1-1e-7. The signal droops at the edges as shown in the images then returns to normal, cyclically, at a rate that depends on the offset of Epsilon from unity. With these settings the cyclical rate is about 30

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Channel Model block - Epsilon effect on band edges

2015-06-17 Thread Tom Rondeau
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Murphy, John jmur...@comsonics.com wrote: I uploaded a pair of images to show. http://imgur.com/a/qAtEX#1 This is with an Epsilon of 1-1e-7. The signal droops at the edges as shown in the images then returns to normal, cyclically, at a rate that depends on

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Channel Model block - Epsilon effect on band edges

2015-06-17 Thread Murphy, John
Any signal must be correct just because it is different? I am talking about pretty severe amplitude effects (several 10's of dB droop, accompanied by phase shift beyond what the timing error does) near the band edges. I don't think I should expect that from timing change. If I connected another

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Channel Model block - Epsilon effect on band edges

2015-06-17 Thread Tom Rondeau
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Murphy, John jmur...@comsonics.com wrote: Any signal must be correct just because it is different? I am talking about pretty severe amplitude effects (several 10's of dB droop, accompanied by phase shift beyond what the timing error does) near the band edges.

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Channel Model block - Epsilon effect on band edges

2015-06-17 Thread mleech
Shouldn't this be an expected effect? if signal.isactuallysampledat() != signal.thewaywepretenditssampled() Then should you expect phase and frequency effects? On 2015-06-17 11:59, Murphy, John wrote: Questions about the Channel Model block from gr::channels::channel_model Noiose

[Discuss-gnuradio] Channel Model block - Epsilon effect on band edges

2015-06-17 Thread Murphy, John
Questions about the Channel Model block from gr::channels::channel_model Noiose Voltage and Frequency Offset work as expected. I've been using a Seed of 0 and no multipath so Taps of 1+0i. Have not seen any issue there although one does have to be careful to not use Taps of just 1 for whatever