Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread Markus Heller
my experiments with an arbitrary GPS module offering a PPS discipline showed that it is easily archievable to create a local clock (ntpd based) with a clock precision of 1 microsecond even with cheap low-power soc computers: I was using a Raspberry Pi. The most interesting finding was the clock d

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread Markus Heller
dio ? > > > -Original Message- > From: Sylvain Munaut [mailto:246...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 1:20 AM > To: b.shube...@sirinsoftware.com > Cc: vk4...@tech-software.net; GNURadio Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread Marcus Müller
10 ms timing certainty is actually pretty hard to achieve across USB2! But: as far as I can see, it'd be rather easy to say, tune both sticks to DVB-T, cross-correlate to find the relative offset, tune to the frequency of interest and work from there. That is, if the delay spread in the cellular ch

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread Vitt Benv
In my experience "rf inserting" 1pps into early receiver (sampler) stages, maybe "coding" timing with 1pps && 10Hz, all derived from gps reference. This "affect" the signal under analysis but that can be do only periodically... for multilateration ;-) Victor Il 16 ago 2017 19:45, ha scritto: >

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread b . shubenok
No. On Thu, 2017-08-17 at 01:52 +1000, vk4...@tech-software.net wrote: > Are you trying to do MultiLateration using software defined radio ? > ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnu

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread b . shubenok
Say we need +-10ms accuracy in timestamps. Precision Time Protocol in LAN should sync PC's clocks with enough accuracy. And then using USRP-like methods - set current/start time - get first sample in known time? Of course USB will add undetermined delays but no external GPS required. On Wed, 20

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread mleech
I have time-synchronized RTLSDRs using a known, pseudo-random, sequence injected into the RX inputs using directional couplers. These all had a common clock so they wouldn't drift apart. On 2017-08-16 11:57, Derek Kozel wrote: > It should be pointed out that the hardware based timestamping is

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread Derek Kozel
It should be pointed out that the hardware based timestamping is only needed if you need time alignment better than a half second or so. With USB transfers, various buffers, NTP based alignment of the host computer's time, and some extra code on the host side you could do a coarse time alignment, p

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread vk4tec
-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, wrote: > What type of hardware? I thought from hardware point of view only > precise clock is required and all the other things in firmware. I've naively > thought i could modify hackrf f

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread Sylvain Munaut
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, wrote: > What type of hardware? I thought from hardware point of view only precise > clock is required and all the other things in > firmware. I've naively thought i could modify hackrf firmware to get this > feature. Mostly a FPGA and a PPS input from a GPS re

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread b . shubenok
What type of hardware? I thought from hardware point of view only precise clock is required and all the other things in firmware. I've naively thought i could modify hackrf firmware to get this feature. On Wed, 2017-08-16 at 17:04 +0200, Sylvain Munaut wrote: > The USRP have dedicated hardware t

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread vk4tec
$30 vs $300 $3000 -Original Message- From: Sylvain Munaut [mailto:246...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 1:04 AM To: b.shube...@sirinsoftware.com Cc: vk4...@tech-software.net; GNURadio Discussion List Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread Sylvain Munaut
The USRP have dedicated hardware to support that kind of stuff, the rtl-sdr and hackrf do not. That's the kind of advanced features that are cut to reduce the price ... Cheers, Sylvain ___ Discuss-gnuradio mailing list Discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org http

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread b . shubenok
> A > > -Original Message- > From: Discuss-gnuradio > [mailto:discuss-gnuradio-bounces+vk4tec=tech-software@gnu.org] On Behalf > Of b.shube...@sirinsoftware.com > Sent: Wednesday, 16 August 2017 11:22 PM > To: discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org > Subject: [Discuss-gnuradio

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread vk4tec
PM To: discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org Subject: [Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers Hi, Reading through archive I've found a thread describing how to sync time between two USRPs on different computers using set_time_now and set_start_time methods. Unfortunately I hav

[Discuss-gnuradio] Time syncing between SDRs on different computers

2017-08-16 Thread b . shubenok
Hi, Reading through archive I've found a thread describing how to sync time between two USRPs on different computers using set_time_now and set_start_time methods. Unfortunately I have only RTL-SDR now (and will have HackRF in a few weeks). As far as I can see there are no such methods in RTL-SD