Re: scrollbars [was: Re: really attracting developers]

2006-09-06 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 06.09.2006 um 06:15 schrieb Rogelio M. Serrano Jr.: if we could not agree where scrollbars should be then scrollbars are bad and i would rather not have them. same goes for the menubar. While I agree with your wishes for a lean GUI, you are oversimplifying here. While some people thi

Re: scrollbars [was: Re: really attracting developers]

2006-09-06 Thread Rogelio Serrano
On 9/6/06, Markus Hitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Am 06.09.2006 um 06:15 schrieb Rogelio M. Serrano Jr.: > if we could not agree where scrollbars should be then scrollbars > are bad > and i would rather not have them. same goes for the menubar. While I agree with your wishes for a lean GUI,

Re: GNUstep compilation on Ubuntu 6.06 woes

2006-09-06 Thread Ingolf Jandt
Sorry for the late answer. Did not find time to play earlier. I have just installed GNUstep after swiching to ubuntu, and did not run into the problem you describe. Platform: Athlon xp 2000, ubuntu 6.06 lts My procedure in detail: * required libs/tools: $ sudo apt-get install make the sam

Re: [Fwd: Re: really attracting developers]

2006-09-06 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 4 Sep 2006, at 04:49, phil taylor wrote: For a software developer there is no substitute for hands on access to actual program code to get you up to speed on a new language. Why cant a GNUstep developer create even a simple "hello world" program and stick it in a "samples" directory. That

Re: GNUstep compilation on Ubuntu 6.06 woes

2006-09-06 Thread Michael Hanni
On ppc there is a bug in the compiler that makes the normal install procedure fail. To get a working build using the current gcc from ubuntu I had to build with debug=yes. (This causes some havoc with Azalea in Etoile, but such is life.) Cheers, Michael ___

Etoile for Solaris SPARC

2006-09-06 Thread Andreas Höschler
Hi all, does anyone managed to build etoile on Soalrso 10 SPARC? We at least got it to build on Solaris 10 x86 by outcommenting a bunch of things. But I haven't had success on SPARC so far. Thanks, Andreas ___ Discuss-gnustep mailing list Dis

Recent updates to base

2006-09-06 Thread jhclouse
I've recently updated from SVN and find that most applications now crash with the following exception (originates in GSLock.m): NSGenericException: lock: when already locked There are some recent changes to NSConnection with regards to threading...looks like a possible cause.

Etoile on Solaris

2006-09-06 Thread Andreas Höschler
Hello all, I have just successfully built Etoile on Solaris 10 SPARC. When I start EtoileMenuServer.app or any other of the apps in /opt/GNUstep/Local/Applications I get 2006-09-06 19:39:55.449 EtoileMenuServer[23129] Loading 2 user defined AppKit bundles 2006-09-06 19:39:55.451 EtoileMenuSe

Re: Etoile on Solaris

2006-09-06 Thread Andreas Höschler
Hello all, I have just successfully built Etoile on Solaris 10 SPARC. When I start EtoileMenuServer.app or any other of the apps in /opt/GNUstep/Local/Applications I get 2006-09-06 19:39:55.449 EtoileMenuServer[23129] Loading 2 user defined AppKit bundles 2006-09-06 19:39:55.451 EtoileMenuServer[

Re: scrollbars [was: Re: really attracting developers]

2006-09-06 Thread phil taylor
On Wed, 2006-09-06 at 12:15 +0800, Rogelio M. Serrano Jr. wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Phil Taylor wrote: > > > > > We are talking about GUI's on Linux, not GUI's in general. The Windows > > GUI is popular because Windows is popular and you cant have one without >

Re: scrollbars [was: Re: really attracting developers]

2006-09-06 Thread Helge Hess
On Sep 6, 2006, at 06:15, Rogelio M. Serrano Jr. wrote: hah! until M$ decides its should be on the left! im sure the entire world will agree. like a flock of sheep! It would be nice if you would actually take a look on how people use scrollbars nowadays. Which is, they don't. I can't remember

Re: scrollbars [was: Re: really attracting developers]

2006-09-06 Thread Rogelio Serrano
On 9/7/06, phil taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > really? it momentum thats sustaining it. and people who is unwilling to > find something new. I think you will find that the average user, who is not a hacker or an IT developer, will not find it acceptable to have to search for an i dont ma