Re: Which ObjC2.0 features are missing in the latest GCC?

2019-11-21 Thread David Chisnall
On 22 Nov 2019, at 05:31, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > And the first thing I turn off in a > new Xcode project is ARC. Why? ARC generates smaller code, faster code, and code that is more likely to be correct. I find it incredibly hard to understand why someone would actively choose to

Re: Which ObjC2.0 features are missing in the latest GCC?

2019-11-21 Thread H. Nikolaus Schaller
> Am 21.11.2019 um 19:58 schrieb David Wetzel : > > Hi! > > Without proper support for the objective c 2 features GGC is pretty much > useless. > There is a reason why llvm is so widely used today. > > Dave > Well, I don't find it difficult to throw out ObjC 2 features by manually

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2019-11-21 Thread greg . casamento
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Re: Which ObjC2.0 features are missing in the latest GCC?

2019-11-21 Thread Gregory Casamento
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Re: Package building

2019-11-21 Thread Sergii Stoian
On Nov 21, 2019, at 19:13, Fred Kiefer wrote: > > >> Am 21.11.2019 um 12:43 schrieb Sergii Stoian : >> >> UDisks and PulseAudion is all about D-Bus (communication, events), GLib (run >> loop, types, data structures). The harderst part for me was to adopt GLib >> run loop into NSRunLoop

Re: Which ObjC2.0 features are missing in the latest GCC?

2019-11-21 Thread David Wetzel
Hi! Without proper support for the objective c 2 features GGC is pretty much useless. There is a reason why llvm is so widely used today. Dave

Re: Package building

2019-11-21 Thread Fred Kiefer
> Am 21.11.2019 um 12:43 schrieb Sergii Stoian : > > UDisks and PulseAudion is all about D-Bus (communication, events), GLib (run > loop, types, data structures). The harderst part for me was to adopt GLib run > loop into NSRunLoop runnig application code. > If I was using GTK+ - there will

Re: Which ObjC2.0 features are missing in the latest GCC?

2019-11-21 Thread Matt Rice
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 1:43 PM Gregory Casamento wrote: > Andreas, > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 6:26 AM Andreas Fink wrote: > >> >> >> On 21 Nov 2019, at 12:15, Gregory Casamento >> wrote: >> >> David et al, >> >> For all of the reasons listed in the previous email I am starting to >> wonder

Re: Which ObjC2.0 features are missing in the latest GCC?

2019-11-21 Thread Gregory Casamento
Andreas, On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 6:26 AM Andreas Fink wrote: > > > On 21 Nov 2019, at 12:15, Gregory Casamento > wrote: > > David et al, > > For all of the reasons listed in the previous email I am starting to > wonder about the viability of using GCC in the long run. As far as I can > see

Re: Package building

2019-11-21 Thread Sergii Stoian
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:47 AM David Chisnall wrote: > On 20 Nov 2019, at 23:13, cobjective wrote: > > > > On 19 Nov 2019, at 13:42, David Chisnall > wrote: > >> > >> On 19/11/2019 09:40, Johannes Brakensiek wrote: > I understand that the initial idea was to attract more >

Re: Which ObjC2.0 features are missing in the latest GCC?

2019-11-21 Thread Andreas Fink
> On 21 Nov 2019, at 12:15, Gregory Casamento wrote: > > David et al, > > For all of the reasons listed in the previous email I am starting to wonder > about the viability of using GCC in the long run. As far as I can see it the > facts are these: > > 1. GCC does not support ARC, blocks

Re: Which ObjC2.0 features are missing in the latest GCC?

2019-11-21 Thread Gregory Casamento
David et al, For all of the reasons listed in the previous email I am starting to wonder about the viability of using GCC in the long run. As far as I can see it the facts are these: 1. GCC does not support ARC, blocks and many other features which the API is now using 2. Supporting GCC

Re: Which ObjC2.0 features are missing in the latest GCC?

2019-11-21 Thread Gregory Casamento
David, On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 5:54 AM David Chisnall wrote: > On 19/11/2019 23:28, Ivan Vučica wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 5:26 PM Jordan Schidlowsky > > mailto:jor...@noodlecake.com>> wrote: > > > Is this not the strongest argument to deprecate GCC, and just build > > on Clang/LLVM?

Re: Which ObjC2.0 features are missing in the latest GCC?

2019-11-21 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
> On 21 Nov 2019, at 08:32, David Chisnall wrote: > > >> On 20 Nov 2019, at 20:11, Gregory Casamento wrote: >> >> Derek >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 1:44 PM Derek Fawcus >> wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 10:52:36AM +, David Chisnall wrote: Oh, and with ARC, all of the C++

Re: Package building

2019-11-21 Thread David Chisnall
On 20 Nov 2019, at 23:13, cobjective wrote: > > On 19 Nov 2019, at 13:42, David Chisnall wrote: >> >> On 19/11/2019 09:40, Johannes Brakensiek wrote: I understand that the initial idea was to attract more users/developers, but… It’s not working. >>> Hm, yes. I think developers don’t

Re: Which ObjC2.0 features are missing in the latest GCC?

2019-11-21 Thread David Chisnall
> On 20 Nov 2019, at 20:11, Gregory Casamento wrote: > > Derek > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 1:44 PM Derek Fawcus > wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 10:52:36AM +, David Chisnall wrote: >> > Oh, and with ARC, all of the C++ implementations have correct memory >> > management for