Brutal review…

2023-10-17 Thread Gregory Casamento
This guy is misled about a lot of things but his experience reflects the experience a lot of people have. Let’s try to improve this. This literally upset me. https://www.youtube.com/live/z0unnqzaoLQ?si=J3FKCK7gGOyEmUCo Yours, GC

Re: Brutal review…

2023-10-17 Thread kyle . cardoza
One major problem I see is that distributions package a completely unconfigured and outdated version. Part of the motive for my little Agora project is to address that issue, by shipping a fully configured, up to date GNUstep environment. > On Oct 17, 2023, at 9:18 AM, Gregory Casamento > wr

Re: Brutal review…

2023-10-17 Thread Andreas Fink
thats something i totally agree. Im building my own gnustep packages since many years (since Debian 8) because without clang and objC 2.0 features such as ARC i can not get anything done. Clang version and specific linker dependencies dont help new users to succeed under Debian neither. Cross Pl

Re: Brutal review…

2023-10-17 Thread Daniel Boyd
Can confirm. I’m starting on a new project where I’m going to be pushing a bunch of GNUStep apps into Debian-based Docker containers in the cloud and I ended up setting up my own apt server to host the gnustep packages (which I stole from Andreas’s apt server. Thanks, Andreas, by the way lol)Projec

Re: Brutal review…

2023-10-17 Thread H. Nikolaus Schaller
> Am 17.10.2023 um 22:31 schrieb Daniel Boyd : > > Can confirm. I’m starting on a new project where I’m going to be pushing a > bunch of GNUStep apps into Debian-based Docker containers in the cloud and I > ended up setting up my own apt server to host the gnustep packages (which I > stole fr

Re: Brutal review…

2023-10-17 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Gregory Casamento wrote: This guy is misled about a lot of things but his experience reflects the experience a lot of people have.  Let’s try to improve this. We are on our way of having a proper website, with fixed download links, available wiki tutorials and so on "again". Then the

Re: Brutal review…

2023-10-17 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Daniel Boyd wrote: Project goal should be for the instructions to get a working gnustep environment (in Debian) to be as simple as: > sudo apt install gnustep that's oversimplifying, but something along a couple of virtual packages like "gnustep core" "gnustep development" "gnustep ga

Re: Brutal review…

2023-10-17 Thread Daniel Boyd
Yeah you're right -- that was oversimplifying.I think you need several metapackagesmetapackages for running gnustep appsgnustep -- synonym for gnustep-clang (at least I think that should be the default)gnustep-gccgnustep-clangmetapackages for developing gnustep appsgnustep-dev (installs gnustep-

Re: Brutal review…

2023-10-17 Thread H. Nikolaus Schaller
> Am 18.10.2023 um 00:15 schrieb Daniel Boyd : > > Yeah you're right -- that was oversimplifying. > > I think you need several metapackages > > metapackages for running gnustep apps > gnustep -- synonym for gnustep-clang (at least I think that should be the > default) No, if you apt install

Re: Brutal review…

2023-10-17 Thread H. Nikolaus Schaller
Well, on second thought it is a matter of definition. There could be: gsde- as the GNUstep based desktop (equivalent to xfce4 for example) gnustep - as the full and complete development system (equivalent to Xcode) gap - the GNUstep applications > Am 18.10.2023 um 07:11 schrieb H