Options and choises rant

2006-01-15 Thread Dennis Leeuw
Hi all, I just came back from a day with my dad, and it opened my eyes to something. My dad is 61 years old and started using computers about 5 or 6 years ago. He learned fast, but is still capable of creating a mess of his iBook running Mac OS X. He is often confused about what is working an

Re: Options and choises rant

2006-01-15 Thread Dennis Leeuw
Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote: Apparently even microsoft have partially recognised this ... I recently followed a link to a news item about their latest release of 'office' in which it was said they did lot's of market research to find out what new features people would like ... and found th

Re: Options and choises rant

2006-01-15 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
I totally agree that non-technical users (i.e. most of humanity) are certainly very confused by lots of buttons and choices. I also agree with the general reduction of clutter on windows - it's often unnecessary in apps not targeted for the technical audience. However, I'd like to discurage from r

Re: Options and choises rant

2006-01-15 Thread Riccardo
Hello, On Sunday, January 15, 2006, at 11:28 AM, Dennis Leeuw wrote: Maybe the less is more idea should be more often used. Maybe the idea should be that a menu should be not longer then 10 entries, next to being not deeper then 3 menus. How do others on this list view this? Have other people

Re: Options and choises rant

2006-01-15 Thread Dennis Leeuw
Riccardo wrote: Hello, On Sunday, January 15, 2006, at 11:28 AM, Dennis Leeuw wrote: Maybe the less is more idea should be more often used. Maybe the idea should be that a menu should be not longer then 10 entries, next to being not deeper then 3 menus. How do others on this list view this?

Re: Options and choises rant

2006-01-15 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 15 Jan 2006, at 10:28, Dennis Leeuw wrote: The "make everybody happy" paradigm might be part of the open source community, since it helps to get more developers, but to me it sounds like a wrong design approach for the end user. The more options to choose from the less people feel comfo

Re: Options and choises rant

2006-01-15 Thread Rogelio Serrano
On 1/15/06, Richard Frith-Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 15 Jan 2006, at 10:28, Dennis Leeuw wrote:> The "make everybody happy" paradigm might be part of the open> source community, since it helps to get more developers, but to me> it sounds like a wrong design approach for the end user. T

Re: Options and choises rant

2006-01-15 Thread Dennis Leeuw
Sašo Kiselkov wrote: I totally agree that non-technical users (i.e. most of humanity) are certainly very confused by lots of buttons and choices. I also agree with the general reduction of clutter on windows - it's often unnecessary in apps not targeted for the technical audience. However, I'd l

Re: Options and choises rant

2006-01-15 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 15.01.2006 um 11:28 schrieb Dennis Leeuw: The "make everybody happy" paradigm might be part of the open source community, since it helps to get more developers, but to me it sounds like a wrong design approach for the end user. The more options to choose from the less people feel comfor

Re: Options and choises rant

2006-01-15 Thread Stefan Urbanek
Hi, On 15.1.2006, at 11:28, Dennis Leeuw wrote: Hi all, I just came back from a day with my dad, and it opened my eyes to something. My dad is 61 years old and started using computers about 5 or 6 years ago. He learned fast, but is still capable of creating a mess of his iBook running Ma

Re: Options and choises rant

2006-01-15 Thread Stefan Urbanek
On 15.1.2006, at 13:07, Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote: On 15 Jan 2006, at 10:28, Dennis Leeuw wrote: PS. I've read that research suggests 7 items as a maximum that people (in general) can readily keep in mind, so even a menu with ten items is probably longer than desirable. This

Re: Options and choises rant

2006-01-16 Thread Chris B. Vetter
On 1/15/06, Dennis Leeuw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote: > > PS. > > I've read that research suggests 7 items as a maximum that people (in > > general) can readily keep in mind, so even a menu with ten items is > > probably longer than desirable. > Nice... didn't know th

Re: Options and choises rant

2006-01-16 Thread Christopher Armstrong
On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 00:32 +0100, Stefan Urbanek wrote: > With this, "wise developer" would provide complete application menu > with all possible commands. This can be called "Expert" menu layout. > Then developer who thinks of beginners will take the full structure > and hide unnecessary me

Re: Options and choises rant

2006-01-16 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 15 Jan 2006, at 12:41, Dennis Leeuw wrote: Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote: Apparently even microsoft have partially recognised this ... I recently followed a link to a news item about their latest release of 'office' in which it was said they did lot's of market research to find out

Re: Options and choises rant

2006-01-17 Thread Marc Brünink
PS. I've read that research suggests 7 items as a maximum that people (in general) can readily keep in mind, so even a menu with ten items is probably longer than desirable. Nice... didn't know that. My girlfriend initially suggested 5, which I thought was way too little... but apperently I