Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Jeremy Allen
SQL In 10 Minutes seems like a fine book for learning the basics of SQL Syntax. What I don't see is a good grounding in Normalization and database design. The Learn SQL in 10 minutes book focuses on SQL Syntax and SQL Queries.  That is good... you DO need to know all of that and I suppose a structu

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Dean H. Saxe
By the way, if you haven't seen it yet I have a little advice on how *not* to write code. The company I work for, Foundstone (A division of McAfee), has just release HacmeShipping. The tool was written by me, along with some support from Jeremy Allen. It shows how *not* to write CFMX 7 cod

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Reactor

2006-06-17 Thread Teddy Payne
MCG,It is being used for large projects and supports some rpetty complex queries.If you have an example, I can create the realationships and joins that you would be curious about.It would probably help more than just you to show how to achieve this.  If you provide me with a sample schema and query

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Steven Ross
I read somewhere that the best way to learn is having to do something... ie: your fired if you don't learn coldfusion. Hah, there is some nice learning pressure for you.I would say that the best (and cheapest) way to learn CF (or any programming language) is to read a book and try to build somethin

[ACFUG Discuss] Reactor

2006-06-17 Thread Gerrey . Mary-Catherine
I just flipped through Teddy's presentation on Reactor and wanted to know other's ideas of it.  Being totally new to it, is it easy for people to learn/implement, even for those of us that are a little stubborn?  Seems straightforward.  Does it work well for large projects?  What about complex quer

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Gerrey . Mary-Catherine
Whle some learn best by book, some of us don't.  Even in college, I had to write notes from my readings and to study I would rewrite my notes, as retarded as that sounds.  Just reading nor hearing a teacher in class make things click for me.  It is a weird combination of all of those, plus doing it

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Douglas Knudsen
I actually had to watch that CBT back in 2000 when I entered the CF world. 'SkillBuilding With ColdFusion' IIRC was the title. It was for 4 or 4.5 version but the basic ideas still apply today. I know I have a copy around, but alas those copyright rulez! :) Luckily we have electrity now, so

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Charlie Arehart
Thank you for that, Dean. I'm especially pleased to hear that I've been of help to you, seeing how much you now give back to the community. And that is indeed the way it ought to be. I was motivated to get into user groups because I learned so much from them, starting in the early 80's in my mainfr

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Dean H. Saxe
I'm with Jeremy on this. I'm a book learner, read a book, implement, read more, implement more. I'm a self-taught programmer, unless you consider taking Pascal in college in 1990 part of my career (I don't). Classes are helpful, but they are expensive. Most classes I see on any technical a

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Rick Lansford
I took a class, but looking back, it would have been just as easy to learn on my own. However, I am not in the league with the others on this list (I still pretty much use a basic to mid-level programming technique). So if your goal is to get to their level I think it would take some formal

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Jeremy Allen
Oh.. and from a position of seeing how many people have tried to teach themselves programming it is NOT always an easy one to answer. Some people think that you can read programming books without actually writing code and still learn to program. Its just not true :) I think I already made that poin

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Jeremy Allen
I am a book learner. It really depends on what type of learner you are. Of course at a couple hundred dollars you won't be able to afford any hard core classes. You will be able to buy all of the books you need. A couple of good CF books, a good database design book, and maybe later one good book o

[ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Robert Reil
Here’s an easy one!   Whats the easiest cost effective way to learn how to get up and rolling in CF? Budget a couple hundred. I have servers, and software. Should I take a class, a web school, or use Forta’s Web App Construction site?   Opinions and links welcome...   Robert P. Re