Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Application Authentication and Security Question

2007-07-16 Thread Dean H. Saxe
Yup, hence why you send a one-time use link with a limited window of opportunity, say 24 hours, for the user to click the link, answer the security questions and gain access to their account. Does every system need to do this? Hell no, you need to decide what is the appropriate level of se

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Application Authentication and Security Question

2007-07-16 Thread Cameron Childress
On 7/16/07, Dean H. Saxe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But you still need an out of band method of contacting the user, usually email. No email, no out of band contact method. Any method without out of band contact is a potential way for attackers to identify valid accounts, opening them up to bru

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Application Authentication and Security Question

2007-07-16 Thread Dean H. Saxe
But you still need an out of band method of contacting the user, usually email. No email, no out of band contact method. Any method without out of band contact is a potential way for attackers to identify valid accounts, opening them up to brute force password attacks. -dhs Dean H. Sa

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Application Authentication and Security Question

2007-07-16 Thread Bryan Tidd
I have used AOL's OpenID or OpenAuth implementation on a project. It's a pretty easy thing to use. I does however require the users to have an AIM Screen Name. In my case this wasn't an issue. LDAP is a very good option. Another is to implement a challenge - response system using several questio

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Application Authentication and Security Question

2007-07-16 Thread Douglas Knudsen
How about setting up your own LDAP? End users would not be affected and you can setup fields to store say favorite pet or something easily. Further you can use accounts across applications via groups and such. DK On 7/13/07, Cheyenne Throckmorton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Fortunately, this

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Application Authentication and Security Question

2007-07-13 Thread Cheyenne Throckmorton
Fortunately, this system access and value of the data is not terribly important. Basically just gives them an ability to upload a word document, which we have trouble getting those users that can login to do. I was merely just tossing the question out there in case there were any creative ideas

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Application Authentication and Security Question

2007-07-13 Thread Dean H. Saxe
Well, seriously. How are you going to identify the account uniquely (to the extent that email really can do that)? Unless you have an alternative identification system, you're really SOL. Is there other contact information you can use to communicate with this person? Another way to iden

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Application Authentication and Security Question

2007-07-13 Thread AppDeveloper
Could you be more pedagogical, Dean? On 7/13/07, Dean H. Saxe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In that case, your clients are screwed. Happy to help! -dhs (FWIW, Basic AuthN is HORRIBLY insecure and should be avoided at all cost.) Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] "What is objectio

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Application Authentication and Security Question

2007-07-13 Thread Dean H. Saxe
In that case, your clients are screwed. Happy to help! -dhs (FWIW, Basic AuthN is HORRIBLY insecure and should be avoided at all cost.) Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] "What is objectionable, what is dangerous about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they are

[ACFUG Discuss] Application Authentication and Security Question

2007-07-13 Thread Cheyenne Throckmorton
In most of our applications that we run our basic authentication is to have them provide their email address as a username and then a password. We store that password hashed with salt onto our databases, and have no real way of knowing what it is. If a user forgets their password then they have