Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-17 Thread Reinhard Müller
Hi, Am 16.02.21 um 12:42 schrieb MJ Ray: > Please consider operating as a Free-Software-supporting association > outside of FSFE, so the work and members are not all lost. > > FSFE does good but is not the Messiah. The basic concept of a > Foundation (special status for founders and founding

Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-17 Thread MJ Ray
On 15 February 2021 19:38:56 UTC, krey...@rixotstudio.cz wrote: >Now i lost around 2 months of my life working on this (me and group >members were working on this before the group was requested) [...], >but for now i no longer want to be affiliated with FSFE. Please consider operating as a

Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-15 Thread kreyren
On 2/15/21 1:52 PM, Erik Albers wrote: > On 15.02.21 07:27, krey...@rixotstudio.cz wrote: >> On 2/14/21 10:35 PM, Reinhard Müller wrote: >>> Just for the sake of completeness: >>> >>> Am 13.02.21 um 05:11 schrieb Jacob Hrbek: as current coordinator for FSFE-Czechia (currently disputed by Max)

Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-15 Thread Erik Albers
On 15.02.21 07:27, krey...@rixotstudio.cz wrote: > On 2/14/21 10:35 PM, Reinhard Müller wrote: >> Just for the sake of completeness: >> >> Am 13.02.21 um 05:11 schrieb Jacob Hrbek: >>> as current coordinator for FSFE-Czechia (currently disputed by Max) >> AFAICT, the only person who claims that

Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-15 Thread Paul Boddie
Trimming to get the context back... On Saturday, 13 February 2021 05:11:23 CET Jacob Hrbek wrote: > >> The (F)LOSS ecosystem is currently mostly focusing on quantity over > >> quality [...] > I would also argue that not everyone in (F)LOSS cares about their future > job in Computer Science to

Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-14 Thread kreyren
On 2/14/21 10:35 PM, Reinhard Müller wrote: > Just for the sake of completeness: > > Am 13.02.21 um 05:11 schrieb Jacob Hrbek: >> as current coordinator for FSFE-Czechia (currently disputed by Max) > AFAICT, the only person who claims that there is a group "FSFE-Czechia" > and calling yourself the

Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-14 Thread Reinhard Müller
Just for the sake of completeness: Am 13.02.21 um 05:11 schrieb Jacob Hrbek: > as current coordinator for FSFE-Czechia (currently disputed by Max) AFAICT, the only person who claims that there is a group "FSFE-Czechia" and calling yourself the coordinator of that group is you. Please stop this.

Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-14 Thread Jacob Hrbek
On 2/11/21 11:58 PM, Johannes Zarl-Zierl wrote: > Hi, > > Apart from the principal discussion whether FSFE is well-equipped to define > "coding standards" without defining a scope for that discussion, I'd like to > address the introductory paragraph that almost reads as FUD to me: > >> The (F)LOSS

Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-14 Thread Carsten Agger
On 2/11/21 11:58 PM, Johannes Zarl-Zierl wrote: Hi, Apart from the principal discussion whether FSFE is well-equipped to define "coding standards" without defining a scope for that discussion, I'd like to address the introductory paragraph that almost reads as FUD to me: The (F)LOSS

Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-12 Thread Johannes Zarl-Zierl
Hi, Apart from the principal discussion whether FSFE is well-equipped to define "coding standards" without defining a scope for that discussion, I'd like to address the introductory paragraph that almost reads as FUD to me: > The (F)LOSS ecosystem is currently mostly focusing on quantity over

Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-11 Thread kreyren
On 2/10/21 1:10 PM, Alessandro Rubini wrote: > everybody is > already doing that I don't believe that more standards are a bad thing. > Some coding standard make no sense, some are ugly, some are good; you only need to choose yours -- or be forced by your employer. Agree that some or even

Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-11 Thread kreyren
On 2/10/21 12:39 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: > there's no incentive to even follow a discussion. Agree that's why i want to define these standards through FSFE in a way that allows public review and contributions ^-^ -- - Krey OpenPGP_0x31AE4020956E0A9A.asc Description: application/pgp-keys

Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-10 Thread Michael Kesper
Hi all, Am 10.02.21 um 13:10 schrieb Alessandro Rubini: > The problem your describe is that of bashisms. I agree we should use > /bin/sh in published scripts (and ensure our own sh is not some > featureful derivation). I think one should not publish any shell scripts any more except for the

Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-10 Thread Alessandro Rubini
Hello. I don't think FSFE should provide coding standard: everybody is already doing that. Some coding standard make no sense, some are ugly, some are good; you only need to choose yours -- or be forced by your employer. The problem your describe is that of bashisms. I agree we should use

Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-10 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi kreyren, On Wednesday, 2021-02-10 08:46:15 +, krey...@rixotstudio.cz wrote: > Justify bad code and elaborate on bad mail user agents. No. But if these produce text I can't read and cripple "source code" to be discussed there's no incentive to even follow a discussion. Eike --

Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-10 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Valerio, On Wednesday, 2021-02-10 09:13:35 +0100, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote: > On Tue, 2021-02-09 at 22:40 +0100, Eike Rathke wrote: > > Before discussing coding standards we should rule out bad Mail User > > Agents that produce totally unusable text/plain from text/html in > > their > >

Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-10 Thread Valerio Bellizzomi
On Tue, 2021-02-09 at 22:40 +0100, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi, > > On Monday, 2021-02-08 10:56:43 +, Jacob Hrbek wrote: > > > Should FSFE provide some kind of platform for community to discuss > > and propose coding standards? > > Before discussing coding standards we should rule out bad Mail

Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-10 Thread kreyren
On 2/9/21 10:40 PM, Eike Rathke wrote: > Hi, > > On Monday, 2021-02-08 10:56:43 +, Jacob Hrbek wrote: > >> Should FSFE provide some kind of platform for community to discuss and >> propose coding standards? > Before discussing coding standards we should rule out bad Mail User > Agents that

Re: FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-10 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi, On Monday, 2021-02-08 10:56:43 +, Jacob Hrbek wrote: > Should FSFE provide some kind of platform for community to discuss and > propose coding standards? Before discussing coding standards we should rule out bad Mail User Agents that produce totally unusable text/plain from text/html

FSFE-defined coding standards?

2021-02-09 Thread Jacob Hrbek
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