Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

At 12:03 PM 5/6/2009 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: I don't see any advantage, in the context of this discussion, to having an additional, incompatible naming for full-path-to-a-class. Setuptools doesn't limit an entry point to being a class, function, or other top-level name within a module. It ca

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

Tarek Ziadé writes: > I think is simpler with the "somepackage.somemodule:MyPluginClass" notation > > This is how setuptools does roughly: > >>>> parts = "somepackage.somemodule:MyPluginClass".split(':') […] Using the standard import notation is no more difficult: >>> parts = "somepac

Re: [Distutils] Setuptools, namespace packages, --single-version-externally-managed

At 04:35 PM 5/5/2009 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote: Any ideas on this? Phillip? On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Ian Bicking <i...@colorstudy.com> wrote: So, a bit of a problem came up with pip and namespace packages. Here's my understanding of what's going on: When

Re: [Distutils] Setuptools, namespace packages, --single-version-externally-managed

Any ideas on this? Phillip? On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: > So, a bit of a problem came up with pip and namespace packages. Here's my > understanding of what's going on: > > When you install a namespace package with pip, it uses install > --single-version-externally-manage

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

At 09:27 PM 5/5/2009 +0100, Floris Bruynooghe wrote: But how can a "python setup.py install" know where to find this configuration file to add it's plugin? It doesn't. The whole point of having two stages -- discovery and activation -- is that discovery is an automatic side-effect of install

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 05:05:28PM +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote: > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote > >> a configuration file that reunites all entry points an application > >> uses. For the Atomisator example: > >> > >>  [atomisator.reader] > >>  rss = somepackage.somemodule:MyPlug

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

On May 5, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote a configuration file that reunites all entry points an application uses. For the Atomisator example: [atomisator.reader] rss = somepackage.somemodule:MyPluginClass Yes! We can figure o

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

2009/5/5 Sebastien Binet : > hi, > >> That allows people to create their own plugins in separate packages, >> and use them by tweaking the configuration >> file. The only think that entry point provided here is an automatic >> registration at installation time of the "rss" plugins, >> so my Atomisa

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote > > I don't think I understand the difference between the step you're calling > "discover", scanning the registry, and actually loading the plugin.  Does > "discovering" the plugin involve importing any of its code? No, like Phillip said somewhe

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

On May 5, 2009, at 10:38 AM, P.J. Eby wrote: At 08:41 AM 5/5/2009 -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: I don't want new functionality available to an application just because someone has permission to install a package somewhere in the PYTHONPATH. I would rather have plugins added to an app through an

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

At 08:41 AM 5/5/2009 -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: I don't want new functionality available to an application just because someone has permission to install a package somewhere in the PYTHONPATH. I would rather have plugins added to an app through an explicit configuration step of some sort. Not

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

On May 5, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: I am confused with the role of this "man in the middle". In my mind there are plugins on one side, and host applications that consumes them if they wish on they other side. Do you have a u

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

hi, > That allows people to create their own plugins in separate packages, > and use them by tweaking the configuration > file. The only think that entry point provided here is an automatic > registration at installation time of the "rss" plugins, > so my Atomisatior application can discover then

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: >> I am confused with the role of this "man in the middle". In my mind >> there are plugins on one side, >> and host applications that consumes them if they wish on they other side. >> >> Do you have a use case we can share for mutual comprehens

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

On May 5, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: If I have to "turn on" the plugin, then what benefit does an entry point registry give me? I don't understand this sentence, since you say later that you want the user to manually tur

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: >  If I have to "turn on" the plugin, then what benefit does an entry point > registry give me? I don't understand this sentence, since you say later that you want the user to manually turn a plugin "on" for an application to soncume it. >>

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

On May 5, 2009, at 4:49 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:57 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: Not strong, but I have a few issues with how they are currently defined: * There's the issue of activated and unactivated eggs, of course, but I guess that will be moot since there's no act

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote: > 2009/5/5 P.J. Eby : >> At 06:57 PM 5/4/2009 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote: >>> >>> * I'm uncomfortable with the way entry points are scanned.  I haven't >>> looked close enough to back it up with numbers, but I think there's a >>> noticeable perform

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

2009/5/5 P.J. Eby : > At 06:57 PM 5/4/2009 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote: >> >> * I'm uncomfortable with the way entry points are scanned.  I haven't >> looked close enough to back it up with numbers, but I think there's a >> noticeable performance degradation when the number of installed packages >> b

Re: [Distutils] Adding entry points into Distutils ?

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:57 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > Not strong, but I have a few issues with how they are currently defined: > > * There's the issue of activated and unactivated eggs, of course, but I > guess that will be moot since there's no activation with just distutils? Yes > * There's no