[Distutils] The PEP 426 defined metadata version will be metadata 3.0

2014-02-23 Thread Nick Coghlan
Vinay brought to my attention that bdist_wheel currently publishes pydist.json files that claim to contain content in the metadata 2.0 format. I was aware that Daniel had been experimenting with generating pydist.json files, but I didn't realise that bdist_wheel did it by default, nor that it used

[Distutils] Deleting legacy contents from core install guide?

2014-02-23 Thread Nick Coghlan
I finally started working on the docs.python.org updates for PEP 453 tonight, and I'm just not seeing much salvageable information in http://docs.python.org/3/install/index.html. While it was a big step forward back in 1998, it seems to me that it has simply been left unmaintained for too long,

Re: [Distutils] Deleting legacy contents from core install guide?

2014-02-23 Thread Paul Moore
On 23 February 2014 11:43, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: With that content gone from the end user installation guide in 3.4+, it can become just a very, very simple introduction to the core pip commands, and then a reference out to the packaging user guide for more info. Thoughts?

Re: [Distutils] Deleting legacy contents from core install guide?

2014-02-23 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 23 February 2014 22:00, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 February 2014 11:43, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: With that content gone from the end user installation guide in 3.4+, it can become just a very, very simple introduction to the core pip commands, and then a

Re: [Distutils] 503 errors from PyPI

2014-02-23 Thread anatoly techtonik
Getting this right now on all pypi pages Error 503 backend read error backend read error Guru Meditation: XID: 1718559534 Varnish cache server http://status.python.org/ is silent. Something is wrong with monitoring. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:40 PM,

[Distutils] Can't find Handling the binary dependency management problem thread using Google Groups interface

2014-02-23 Thread Piotr Dobrogost
Hi! I found thread titled Handling the binary dependency management problem at https://mail.python.org/pipermail/distutils-sig/2013-December/023145.html and was trying to find it using Google Groups interface using this search

Re: [Distutils] Deleting legacy contents from core install guide?

2014-02-23 Thread Marcus Smith
However, after thinking a little more on the challenge, I believe the lower level legacy content should fit right in as a new subsection in the distutils docs at http://docs.python.org/3/distutils/index.html. There's 3 things right now: 1. http://docs.python.org/3/distutils/index.html

Re: [Distutils] Deleting legacy contents from core install guide?

2014-02-23 Thread Marcus Smith
1. http://docs.python.org/3/distutils/index.html(Installing Python Modules) 2. http://docs.python.org/3/install/index.html (Distributing Python Modules) woops, I reversed the links for these. ___ Distutils-SIG maillist -

Re: [Distutils] Deleting legacy contents from core install guide?

2014-02-23 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 24 Feb 2014 07:48, Marcus Smith qwc...@gmail.com wrote: However, after thinking a little more on the challenge, I believe the lower level legacy content should fit right in as a new subsection in the distutils docs at http://docs.python.org/3/distutils/index.html. There's 3 things right

Re: [Distutils] Deleting legacy contents from core install guide?

2014-02-23 Thread Marcus Smith
I'm willing to work on a patch for this, if you agree. I do like the idea of moving most of the distutils docs into the distutils module reference. If you were willing to handle that task, that would be brilliant - I'd then focus on writing *new* content ok, I'll see what I can come up

Re: [Distutils] Deleting legacy contents from core install guide?

2014-02-23 Thread Chris Jerdonek
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Marcus Smith qwc...@gmail.com wrote: However, after thinking a little more on the challenge, I believe the lower level legacy content should fit right in as a new subsection in the distutils docs at http://docs.python.org/3/distutils/index.html. There's 3

Re: [Distutils] Deleting legacy contents from core install guide?

2014-02-23 Thread Marcus Smith
I was thinking that #1 and #2 should disappear (or just provide a link to the PUG). I don't think you should bother to recreate any more guides in the python.org docs. The valuable reference content in #1 and #2 should be refactored into #3. To be explicit about one aspect of this

Re: [Distutils] Deleting legacy contents from core install guide?

2014-02-23 Thread Chris Jerdonek
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Marcus Smith qwc...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, I noticed that PUG's Installation Packaging Tutorial [1] is one section. Shouldn't those be separate tutorials? IIRC that information was in separate sections before (one for installing and one for

Re: [Distutils] Deleting legacy contents from core install guide?

2014-02-23 Thread Marcus Smith
Yeah, that history still shows. The first section called Install the Tools is only about installing the tools needed for installation. Well, for packaging, minimally you'll need setuptools, and we recommend using get-pip or pip to install setuptools. And if you're going to work in develop

Re: [Distutils] Can't find Handling the binary dependency management problem thread using Google Groups interface

2014-02-23 Thread Matt Wilkie
...well now this is very curious. My reply to you bounced, because I'm not subscribed to the google group version... but somehow I got your message in the first place?? Manually CC'ing this one to distutils-sig@python.org, because I don't think anyone there is aware of the problem. -matt On

Re: [Distutils] Can't find Handling the binary dependency management problem thread using Google Groups interface

2014-02-23 Thread Paul Moore
On 24 February 2014 07:06, Matt Wilkie map...@gmail.com wrote: ...well now this is very curious. My reply to you bounced, because I'm not subscribed to the google group version... but somehow I got your message in the first place?? That happens to me too - I think Google Groups messes with the