Re: [Distutils] [Import-SIG] nspkg.pth files break $PYTHONPATH overrides

2014-03-28 Thread Eric Snow
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:30 PM, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: There is. It's *pronounced* sys.namespace_packages, but it's spelled importlib._bootstrap._NamespaceLoader ;) Yeah, well that's not exactly a public

[Distutils] Versioned entry points

2014-03-28 Thread Paul Moore
One open question with pip's handling of script generation for wheels is what to do with versioned entry points (virtualenv-2.7.exe etc). At the moment, pip explicitly disables distlib's facility to generate versioned script wrappers for entry points, and generates exactly what the project

Re: [Distutils] Versioned entry points

2014-03-28 Thread Paul Moore
On 28 March 2014 15:32, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to see just a very simple $ interpolation language. So you think the project should decide, not the user? Or should the user be allowed to override? Paul ___ Distutils-SIG

Re: [Distutils] Versioned entry points

2014-03-28 Thread Donald Stufft
On Mar 28, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 March 2014 15:32, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to see just a very simple $ interpolation language. So you think the project should decide, not the user? Or should the user be allowed to override?

Re: [Distutils] Versioned entry points

2014-03-28 Thread Daniel Holth
Definitely the project. On Mar 28, 2014 11:51 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 March 2014 15:32, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to see just a very simple $ interpolation language. So you think the project should decide, not the user? Or should the user be

Re: [Distutils] Versioned entry points

2014-03-28 Thread Vinay Sajip
 Does anyone have any thoughts? Note that there is one situation where scripts for multiple Python versions reside in the same directory: per-user site-packages (PEP 370). If you install a package which has scripts and you don't write versioned scripts, a second installation of that package

Re: [Distutils] Versioned entry points

2014-03-28 Thread Daniel Holth
I would like to see just a very simple $ interpolation language. On Mar 28, 2014 11:03 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 March 2014 14:56, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: [2] What's the process for agreeing on extension schemas? Do they need their own PEPs, or what? I was

Re: [Distutils] Versioned entry points

2014-03-28 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/28/2014 01:18 PM, Vinay Sajip wrote: Does anyone have any thoughts? Note that there is one situation where scripts for multiple Python versions reside in the same directory: per-user site-packages (PEP 370). If you install a package which

Re: [Distutils] Versioned entry points

2014-03-28 Thread Paul Moore
On 28 March 2014 14:56, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: [2] What's the process for agreeing on extension schemas? Do they need their own PEPs, or what? I was skimming the discussion at the point when these things got pushed out to extensions, so I missed the detail. I just found PEP

[Distutils] Pycon

2014-03-28 Thread Daniel Holth
Who is going to pycon? I will be there. ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig

Re: [Distutils] Pycon

2014-03-28 Thread Brian Wickman
+1. Will be hanging out at the http://t.co/PyLadiesMixer and the Twitter booth a bit should anyone want to chat python packaging. On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote: Who is going to pycon? I will be there. ___

Re: [Distutils] Pycon

2014-03-28 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/28/2014 03:06 PM, Daniel Holth wrote: Who is going to pycon? I will be there. I'll be there Tuesday evening through Saturday morning. I'd love to buy any fellowship^wPyPA members a beverage-of-choice. Tres. - --

Re: [Distutils] Versioned entry points

2014-03-28 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 29 Mar 2014 06:20, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Does anyone have any thoughts? Note that there is one situation where scripts for multiple Python versions reside in the same directory: per-user site-packages (PEP 370). If you install a package which has scripts and you don't

Re: [Distutils] Versioned entry points

2014-03-28 Thread Paul Moore
On 28 March 2014 21:06, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: So consider me in the school that suggests this be a standard installer feature that can be applied to any entry point script, rather than something that varies by project. Doing that also implies (detecting and) deliberately

Re: [Distutils] Pycon

2014-03-28 Thread Paul Moore
On 28 March 2014 19:06, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote: Who is going to pycon? I will be there. Sadly, I won't. Paul ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig

Re: [Distutils] Pycon

2014-03-28 Thread Noah Kantrowitz
On Mar 28, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote: Who is going to pycon? I will be there. Attending and presenting a talk that can tl;dr'd as a summary of the last 18 months of this list. --Noah signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail

Re: [Distutils] Is build an inherently arbitrary-code process?

2014-03-28 Thread Chris Barker
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 Mar 2014 05:42, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote: I became convinced that build was an inherently arbitrary-code process, and not something to be universally handled by a declarative system, It wasn't an

Re: [Distutils] Versioned entry points

2014-03-28 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 29 March 2014 07:23, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 March 2014 21:06, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: So consider me in the school that suggests this be a standard installer feature that can be applied to any entry point script, rather than something that varies by

Re: [Distutils] Versioned entry points

2014-03-28 Thread Donald Stufft
On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 March 2014 07:23, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 March 2014 21:06, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: So consider me in the school that suggests this be a standard installer feature that can be applied

Re: [Distutils] Pycon

2014-03-28 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 29 March 2014 05:06, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote: Who is going to pycon? I will be there. As will I. Éric Araujo was suggesting we do a Packaging Mini-Conf again as an open space, which sounded like a good idea to me, I just wasn't inclined to organise it myself this year :) Open

Re: [Distutils] Pycon

2014-03-28 Thread Richard Jones
I'll be there, doing my best to hold up the PyPI / Warehouse banner. And work on some of the code during the sprints, assuming I don't get distracted by writing another PEP like last time (but look where that eventually led us :) I am most likely going to go to the language summit as a lurker to

Re: [Distutils] Pycon

2014-03-28 Thread Justin Cappos
It sounds like a great crowd! I'm sorry that no one from my group will be there... :( We got caught up with other things and then registration filled up... If anything related to things we've been working on (TUF, etc.) comes up, feel free to ping us on Skype, etc. Thanks, Justin On Fri,

Re: [Distutils] Pycon

2014-03-28 Thread Asheesh Laroia
I'm attempting to give a talk that is supposed to be an outsider's view of packaging, and I'll be there! Python packaging simplified, for end users, app developers, and open source contributors https://us.pycon.org/2014/schedule/presentation/219/ Noah, maybe we should talk about the talk -- I