Re: [Distutils] Working toward Linux wheel support

2015-09-04 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Marcus Smith wrote: >> I don't have a specific problem with the specs living somewhere else >> as well, I just don't think moving a lengthy document full of edge cases >> from one location to another is going to make things better > > If I may, I don't think that re

Re: [Distutils] Working toward Linux wheel support

2015-09-04 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 5 September 2015 at 16:43, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 5 September 2015 at 14:24, Marcus Smith wrote: >>> I don't have a specific problem with the specs living somewhere else >>> as well, I just don't think moving a lengthy document full of edge cases >>> from one location to another is going to

Re: [Distutils] Working toward Linux wheel support

2015-09-04 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 5 September 2015 at 14:24, Marcus Smith wrote: >> I don't have a specific problem with the specs living somewhere else >> as well, I just don't think moving a lengthy document full of edge cases >> from one location to another is going to make things better > > If I may, I don't think that real

Re: [Distutils] Working toward Linux wheel support

2015-09-04 Thread Marcus Smith
> I don't have a specific problem with the specs living somewhere else > as well, I just don't think moving a lengthy document full of edge cases > from one location to another is going to make things better If I may, I don't think that really captures Nick's idea. I think it's about clearly dist

[Distutils] BDFL Delegates for distutils-sig PEPs

2015-09-04 Thread Nick Coghlan
We've got to a point where the original standing delegations to myself and Richard Jones to act as BDFL-Delegates for metadata interoperability and pypi.python.org related aren't scaling adequately, so given Paul's recent delegation for PEP 470, and Donald handling PEP 503 directly, it seems like a

Re: [Distutils] PEP 503 - Simple Repository API

2015-09-04 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 5 September 2015 at 11:17, Donald Stufft wrote: > Now that PEP 470 is accepted, I don't forsee any more changes to the API that > installers are expected to use when talking to PyPI. Given that there are > multiple implementations of PyPI and multiple clients talking to PyPI I wanted > to docum

Re: [Distutils] Working toward Linux wheel support

2015-09-04 Thread Donald Stufft
On September 4, 2015 at 10:56:38 PM, Nick Coghlan (ncogh...@gmail.com) wrote: > On 5 September 2015 at 12:14, Donald Stufft wrote: > > On September 4, 2015 at 10:12:08 PM, Nick Coghlan (ncogh...@gmail.com) > > wrote: > >> It's only the interoperability specs where we currently follow the RFC > >>

Re: [Distutils] Working toward Linux wheel support

2015-09-04 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 5 September 2015 at 12:14, Donald Stufft wrote: > On September 4, 2015 at 10:12:08 PM, Nick Coghlan (ncogh...@gmail.com) wrote: >> It's only the interoperability specs where we currently follow the RFC >> model of having the same document describe both the end result *and* >> the rationale for

Re: [Distutils] ensurepip in linux distros

2015-09-04 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 4 September 2015 at 15:02, Marcus Smith wrote: > Can anyone summarize the state of ensurepip for the major linux distros. > > Do any currently include a version that leaves ensurepip intact? > If not, will any? Moreover, would any ever also bootstrap pip for you? python in Fedora depends on py

Re: [Distutils] Working toward Linux wheel support

2015-09-04 Thread Donald Stufft
On September 4, 2015 at 10:12:08 PM, Nick Coghlan (ncogh...@gmail.com) wrote: > On 3 September 2015 at 09:45, Donald Stufft wrote: > > On September 1, 2015 at 9:57:50 AM, Daniel Holth (dho...@gmail.com) wrote: > >> Looks amazing, why don't we merge it. > >> > > > > I think we need to update the PEP

Re: [Distutils] Working toward Linux wheel support

2015-09-04 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 3 September 2015 at 09:45, Donald Stufft wrote: > On September 1, 2015 at 9:57:50 AM, Daniel Holth (dho...@gmail.com) wrote: >> Looks amazing, why don't we merge it. >> > > I think we need to update the PEP or write a new PEP before we add new tags > to the implementation. Right, we're mainly

Re: [Distutils] PEP 503 - Simple Repository API

2015-09-04 Thread Donald Stufft
On September 4, 2015 at 9:17:19 PM, Donald Stufft (don...@stufft.io) wrote: > > Now that PEP 470 is accepted, I don't forsee any more changes > to the API that > installers are expected to use when talking to PyPI. Given that > there are > multiple implementations of PyPI and multiple clients tal

[Distutils] PEP 503 - Simple Repository API

2015-09-04 Thread Donald Stufft
Now that PEP 470 is accepted, I don't forsee any more changes to the API that installers are expected to use when talking to PyPI. Given that there are multiple implementations of PyPI and multiple clients talking to PyPI I wanted to document the API that any implementation (PyPI included) is expec

Re: [Distutils] Reviving PEP 470 - Removing External Hosting support on PyPI

2015-09-04 Thread Alex Clark
On 9/1/15 12:15 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: On 1 September 2015 at 05:53, Donald Stufft wrote: The top packages look a bit different than it did 10 months ago, surprisingly to me PIL has severely dropped off from where it had ~63k 10 months ago and it now has 5.5k, however pygame has risen from 2.6

Re: [Distutils] mention Copr/EPEL/IUS in pip install instructions?

2015-09-04 Thread Robert Collins
Replied on the review. On 4 September 2015 at 15:33, Marcus Smith wrote: > Hello: > > I'm looking for opinions on mentioning Copr and/or EPEL and/or IUS in the > pip install instructions. > > Here's the PR with the actual docs changes: > https://github.com/pypa/pip/pull/3067 > > The goal is to gi