Re: [Distutils] I wonder what is the best practice to clean a buildout project ?

2013-01-31 Thread Benji York
times I have wanted a clean build I just make a new checkout/branch and build it from scratch. I have worked on some pretty big projects with buildout -- a well-designed one shouldn't take so long to build as to be prohibitive. -- Benji York ___ Distutils

Re: [Distutils] Proposal for incorporating buildout-versions on buildout (Re: Better version pinning in buildout (buildout-versions))

2013-01-15 Thread Benji York
being used and it is not immediately apparent why not and the possibility that your stated version requirements are silently not being met. -- Benji York ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Distutils] buildout.dumppickedversions and buildout_versions

2013-01-03 Thread Benji York
the - output in the current buffer and makes it into PACKAGE = VERSION lines: com! -bar MungeVersionsGrep %!grep Picked: com! MungeVersions silent MungeVersionsGrep | silent %s/Picked: // | %sort | silent %!uniq It is just a tiny shell script wrapped in a candy coating. -- Benji York

Re: [Distutils] Differences in PEP386 and setuptools

2012-09-27 Thread Benji York
) semantic versioning, if only because we don't have to invent notation or interpretation. +1 -- Benji York ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig

Re: [Distutils] problem with python file???

2012-03-27 Thread Benji York
for all the details. Also, despite the name of this list, a more appropriate place to ask this kind of question would be the python-list or tutor list: http://www.python.org/community/lists/ -- Benji York ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org

Re: [Distutils] Where are published zc.buildout tests ?

2012-03-13 Thread Benji York
the DEVELOPERS.txt file for instructions on how to set up the test environment. -- Benji York ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig

Re: [Distutils] buildout develop

2011-10-06 Thread Benji York
on how to do something like this? I'm afraid I didn't understand your question. -- Benji York ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig

Re: [Distutils] buildout and system packages: a simpler idea?

2011-09-19 Thread Benji York
it is installed with a clicky-clicky installer on windows and with apt-get on ubuntu. There's another thing you might want when using a system Python: to exclude some packages. I suspect that's what makes it hard. -- Benji York ___ Distutils-SIG maillist

Re: [Distutils] Installing the dependencies in the develop egg setup.py

2011-08-30 Thread Benji York
line should point to the directory that contains it. The line is often simply develop = . (unless you have more than one develop egg in the project). -- Benji York ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: [Distutils] New buildout options: checksums and allow-omitted-checksums

2011-03-18 Thread Benji York
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Re: [Distutils] pythonv: let's also make sure the standard Python install includes an isolated python

2011-03-17 Thread Benji York
. Along those lines, if it can be in multiple places please make having more than one an error. -- Benji York ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig

Re: [Distutils] [Catalog-sig] pypi/packages/docs.python.org

2011-03-07 Thread Benji York
placeholder so the documentation link is always there, but not an attractive nuisance leading to a dead end when there are no docs available and 2) let project owners provide an alternative target for the link if they host their documentation elsewhere. -- Benji York

Re: [Distutils] Name the software! Package quality tester.

2011-03-06 Thread Benji York
On Mar 6, 2011 3:47 AM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote: I've started working on a little utility to give a quality rating on packages, expressed in 0-10 points, and also in cheese types, according to smellyness. How about cheese inspecter? -- Benji York

Re: [Distutils] Proposed change to buildout configuration-file handling

2011-03-06 Thread Benji York
the same result? (I.e., no leading whitespace at all): foo = first line second line third line foo = first line second line third line -- Benji York ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org

Re: [Distutils] [buildout] including optional python packages for testing

2011-02-18 Thread Benji York
correctly, buildout's install command might help you. You can run bin/buildout install foo, where foo is a part to install. It is not required that foo be listed in the [buildout] parts = line. Therefore you can have buildout actions that aren't run by default but that you can trigger as needed. -- Benji

Re: [Distutils] Buildout and non-pypi hosted packages

2011-01-26 Thread Benji York
with this but I'm not sure how to get buildout to understand it. See http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.buildout#finding-distributions, especially the find-links option. -- Benji York ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org

Re: [Distutils] buildout pinning versions and egg requires

2011-01-14 Thread Benji York
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote: On 13/01/2011 14:27, Benji York wrote: On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Maurits van Rees m.van.r...@zestsoftware.nl  wrote: Op 12-01-11 23:33, Jeff Kunce schreef: I'm having trouble pinning versions in my

Re: [Distutils] buildout pinning versions and egg requires

2011-01-13 Thread Benji York
a typo in the version pin: it should be Zope2 with a capital 'Z'. Adding allow-picked-versions = false to your [buildout] section can help keep this from happening. -- Benji York ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org http

Re: [Distutils] Buildout or distribute raise unnecessary version conflict?

2010-12-17 Thread Benji York
version of a dependency is being antisocial. You can use zc.buildout to enforce the use of the 1.0.1 version for you as a work-around: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.buildout#specifying-version-information-independent-of-requirements -- Benji York

Re: [Distutils] Buildout or distribute raise unnecessary version conflict?

2010-12-17 Thread Benji York
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Alan Franzoni mail...@franzoni.eu wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Benji York be...@benjiyork.com wrote: Fancier version resolution would be nice, however a library-like package (as opposed to an app) that requires one and only one version

Re: [Distutils] An observation on how system packagers and developers can be friends

2010-10-28 Thread Benji York
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: Heh, untar + CMMI into a non-system prefix works for me. ;) +1 with the small addition of after making sure the dev dependencies Python sniffs out to build modules for (zlib, crypto bits, etc.) are available. -- Benji

Re: [Distutils] Forcing buildout to exclude packages from site-packages

2010-10-12 Thread Benji York
-package option of virtualenv ? See http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.buildout#working-with-a-system-python, especially the bits about include-site-packages = false and exec-sitecustomize = false. -- Benji York ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG

Re: [Distutils] Buildout release news

2010-08-30 Thread Benji York
is wrong, it just doesn't encompass all the things that are unsupported. You are correct in that a system Python is a dirty Python and dirty Python's may break buildout. -- Benji York ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org http

Re: [Distutils] [buildout] bug related to package name capitalisation

2010-08-12 Thread Benji York
case-insensitivity in package names is tolerated (once, I think).  There's no reason to spread the case-senseless disease any further. +1 Case-insensitivity usually hurts more than it helps. -- Benji York ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG

Re: [Distutils] [buildout] bug related to package name capitalisation

2010-08-12 Thread Benji York
guess that might be construed as a bug. Maybe. This makes me even happier that I always use allow-picked-versions = false. It means that my versions section will always have the correctly capitalized names. -- Benji York ___ Distutils-SIG maillist

Re: [Distutils] Error: Picked: distribute = 0.6.10

2010-01-26 Thread Benji York
option and the fact that Distribute impersonates setuptools. I bet it'll work properly if you add distribute = 0.6.10 to the [versions] section. -- Benji York ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Distutils] PEP 345 - 3 new fields

2009-12-01 Thread Benji York
for the project. Again, package creators can already do this. How does that sounds ? I don't understand the value of this proposal. We don't need more overhead for package authors to wade through, even if they end up ignoring it. No... *especially* if they end up ignoring it. -- Benji York

Re: [Distutils] PEP 345 - 3 new fields

2009-12-01 Thread Benji York
, I don't think these proposals will kill kittens or anything, it's just that every addition has a cost. I (apparently) see that cost as being higher than others do, therefore I feel the small benefit is swamped by the cost. -- Benji York ___ Distutils

Re: [Distutils] PEP 345 - 3 new fields

2009-12-01 Thread Benji York
replacements/mirrors/other tools. Existing projects can leave everything in their long_description if they want, nothing is lost. Nothing we currently have is lost, however we put a small damper on future gains. -- Benji York ___ Distutils-SIG maillist

Re: [Distutils] dev versions

2009-10-09 Thread Benji York
: that means that a beta for 2.0.0 might have a version of 1.6.3-r4321? -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig

Re: [Distutils] virtualenv and buildout integration ?

2009-08-29 Thread Benji York
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Yonsy Solisyo...@aureal.com.pe wrote: btw recipes == extensions in buildout ? Yes. -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org

Re: [Distutils] virtualenv and buildout integration ?

2009-08-28 Thread Benji York
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Yonsy Solisyo...@aureal.com.pe wrote: i found docs for recipe but very few for extensions, can u give me some indications where i can search for this ? http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=browseshow=allc=512 -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope

Re: [Distutils] [Distribute] What versions should we support?

2009-07-17 Thread Benji York
(as long as the backported tarfile module doesn't shadow the built-in tarfile, that's just asking for trouble). -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: [Distutils] Colour this bikeshed: Name for setuptools fork

2009-07-17 Thread Benji York
; I think all the other reasons for renaming are still sound. PJE wanted a rename, which settles that issue IMO. Ok then let's call it Red Barrel then Short, memorable, and (Monty) Pythonic. +1 -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation

Re: [Distutils] Colour this bikeshed: Name for setuptools fork

2009-07-17 Thread Benji York
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Ronald Oussorenronaldousso...@mac.com wrote: I don't have an account at doodle and won't create one. You don't need a account to vote. -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation ___ Distutils-SIG maillist

Re: [Distutils] [distutils] make the storage of the password optional in .pypirc

2009-01-09 Thread Benji York
you had any feedback on this yet? Here's some: how about instead of an ssh-like system, use ssh itself. Front PyPI with an ssh server that users connect to. That way it is both secure and the infrastructure (agent, etc.) is already in place. -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation

Re: [Distutils] Stable versions

2008-12-16 Thread Benji York
this? http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.buildout#preferring-final-releases -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig

Re: [Distutils] Including third party libs with buildout

2008-11-14 Thread Benji York
be bundled)? One option is to use zc.sourcerelease (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.sourcerelease) to generate a source release and use that as the basis for binary releases. -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation ___ Distutils-SIG maillist

Re: [Distutils] BadStatusLine ( was Re: zc.buildout, recipe downloading dev eggs )

2008-10-27 Thread Benji York
to mention the -D switch to buildout. From --help: Debug errors. If an error occurs, then the post-mortem debugger will be started. This is especially useful for debuging recipe problems. -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation

Re: [Distutils] [Catalog-sig] Prototype setuptools-specific PyPI index.

2007-07-24 Thread Benji York
Benji York wrote: I plan to do similar timings with the simple PyPI interface when I get a chance and report the results here. Here are my non-scientific results: buildout times: regular: 4:52.86 simple: 3:15.57 ppix: 2:03.58 As everyone is aware, network latency has a large impact

Re: [Distutils] [Catalog-sig] Prototype setuptools-specific PyPI index.

2007-07-23 Thread Benji York
Martin v. Löwis wrote: would they prefer instead that it is super-efficient (and somewhat out-of-date)? Yes. At most a few minutes out of date and faster/more reliable would be my strong preference. -- Benji York http://benjiyork.com ___ Distutils

Re: [Distutils] [Catalog-sig] Prototype setuptools-specific PyPI index.

2007-07-23 Thread Benji York
with the simple PyPI interface when I get a chance and report the results here. -- Benji York http://benjiyork.com ___ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig

Re: [Distutils] [Catalog-sig] Prototype setuptools-specific PyPI index.

2007-07-23 Thread Benji York
Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 23, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Benji York wrote: Martin v. Löwis wrote: And where somewhat slower could be practically not noticable. Perhaps it /could/ be, but isn't currently. For example, updating one piece of software I have with almost 150 dependencies takes 45

Re: [Distutils] [Catalog-sig] Prototype setuptools-specific PyPI index.

2007-07-23 Thread Benji York
Please don't ever get rid of it :) If easy_install had instead said sorry, I can't find 'foo', perhaps you meant 'Foo', then the user would be both spared frustration and enlightened. -- Benji York http://benjiyork.com ___ Distutils-SIG maillist

Re: [Distutils] [Catalog-sig] Prototype setuptools-specific PyPI index.

2007-07-23 Thread Benji York
think it's a great idea to have both human- and machine-targeted versions available. It looks like setuptools is about twice as fast (in at least one instance) with the simple version. That seems like a pretty big win to me. -- Benji York http://benjiyork.com

Re: [Distutils] setuptools and packages with dots

2007-04-12 Thread Benji York
Phillip J. Eby wrote: At 02:34 PM 4/12/2007 -0400, Benji York wrote: % python setup.py develop running develop running egg_info writing requirements to test.egg-info/requires.txt writing test.egg-info/PKG-INFO writing top-level names to test.egg-info/top_level.txt writing dependency_links