Re: [diversity-talk] OSM code of conduct: starting points

2014-10-16 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/11/2014 3:48 PM, Darrell Fuhriman wrote: Here’s my question, and this needs to be clarified (probably deserves its own thread): Who is responsible for deciding what action needs to be taken in the case of CoC violations? A CoC without a body willing and able to enforce it is just

Re: [diversity-talk] OSM code of conduct: starting points

2014-10-11 Thread Dan S
2014-10-11 23:48 GMT+01:00 Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org: On Oct 10, 2014, at 19:45, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: One last thought - where would the forums fit in this? They're on openstreetmap.org, but not run by the OSMF, so the forum admins would be perfectly capable of saying

Re: [diversity-talk] OSM code of conduct: starting points

2014-10-09 Thread Paul Norman
On 10/8/2014 8:49 PM, Jo Walsh wrote: Okay, my gloss on this is that the Code of Conduct is a kind of shibboleth and a kind of insurance policy. You need one in order to be seen taking this stuff seriously The argument raised recently was that having a CoC helps diversity, and is not a

Re: [diversity-talk] OSM code of conduct: starting points

2014-10-09 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I'm not arguing for an exception for unacceptable behavior, but I am saying that we need to be cognizant of a few issues: 1. Whereas the Code of Conduct presumes that most behavior is done with full knowledge and intent, we cannot really assume that. We can't assume that if someone is behaving in

Re: [diversity-talk] OSM code of conduct: starting points

2014-10-09 Thread Darrell Fuhriman
A few quick comments (more thoughtful ones hopefully to follow). 1. Whereas the Code of Conduct presumes that most behavior is done with full knowledge and intent, we cannot really assume that. We can't assume that if someone is behaving in a way that we dislike, that it must be purposeful.

Re: [diversity-talk] OSM code of conduct: starting points

2014-10-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I think the right way forward is to focus on directed efforts, rather than try to have a single, unified code of conduct at the start. This is for a few reasons: 1. I tried to create a CoC from the top down in 2010. It didn't work. People don't like top down things imposed upon them. 2. There