Re: Deprecation a little harsh?

2013-08-12 Thread Aymeric Augustin
On 12 août 2013, at 06:21, Simon Litchfield wrote: > Celery, sorl-thumbnail, mptt, registration, shorturls, compressor, tinymce (I > could go on) have been having trouble keeping up. Hi Simon, It would be interesting to describe what actual problems these libraries encountered. Were they cau

Order of INSTALLED_APPS

2013-08-12 Thread Stefano Crosta
Hello! There is one situation where the order of INSTALLED_APPS really matters - which is template override. One typical case is grappelli - see https://django-grappelli.readthedocs.org/en/2.4.5/quickstart.html#setup Though not officially documented (?) I've found references in the mailing l

Re: Order of INSTALLED_APPS

2013-08-12 Thread Aymeric Augustin
2013/8/12 Stefano Crosta There is one situation where the order of INSTALLED_APPS really matters - > which is template override. > There are at least two other similar cases: translations and static files. > Though not officially documented (?) I've found references in the mailing > list to th

Re: Order of INSTALLED_APPS

2013-08-12 Thread Ramiro Morales
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Aymeric Augustin wrote: > 2013/8/12 Stefano Crosta > >> There is one situation where the order of INSTALLED_APPS really matters - >> which is template override. > > > There are at least two other similar cases: translations and static files. > >> >> Though not off

Re: Order of INSTALLED_APPS

2013-08-12 Thread Florian Apolloner
On Monday, August 12, 2013 3:41:15 PM UTC+2, Ramiro Morales wrote: > > For translations, we have such documentation already: > > > https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.5/topics/i18n/translation/#how-django-discovers-translations > > For templates too: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/t

Re: Deprecation a little harsh?

2013-08-12 Thread Simon Litchfield
On Monday, 12 August 2013 17:23:40 UTC+10, Aymeric Augustin wrote: > > It would be interesting to describe what actual problems these libraries > encountered. Were they caused by actual deprecations or by changes in > private APIs? > One example would be simplejson, why not leave a stub there

Re: Deprecation a little harsh?

2013-08-12 Thread Jacob Kaplan-Moss
Hi Simon - Here's the thing: I'm sensitive to the fact that you think we're moving too fast, but you have to understand that we also hear that we're moving too *slow*. We have to strike a balance, and I'm happy where we've struck that balance. If you'd like to help push us closer to where *you* t

Re: Deprecation a little harsh?

2013-08-12 Thread Chris Wilson
Hi all, On Mon, 12 Aug 2013, Jacob Kaplan-Moss wrote: If you'd like to help push us closer to where *you* think the right place balance is, the best thing to do is to watch our development process and speak up in the moment. These sorts of general, post-facto observations don't give us a ton

Re: Deprecation a little harsh?

2013-08-12 Thread Aymeric Augustin
2013/8/13 Chris Wilson > It certainly seems that people are eager to rip things out the very second > that the deprecation waiting period expires and they are "allowed" to. If someone introduced a deprecation with a PendingDeprecationWarning, and someone else later advanced all PendingDeprecati