Fwd: Misleading 404 exception during unit tests.

2015-03-24 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
this change but it certainly sent me >>> on a wild goose chase trying to understand the 404 response. Would be VERY >>> useful if this 404 at least provided some information as to what it's >>> really all about - preferably with the above link embedded in it.

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-10 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
Hi Josh, I agree with and understand your sentiments. However, you are basically arguing that since we cannot count on the common sense of the user community to behave professionally in professional environments, we must therefore count on the commonsense of TPTB who will enforce a speech and

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-09 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
st of the community and making a genuine attempt to make the community a better place. -- Ben On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:36 AM, James Bennett wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Benjamin Scherrey > wrote: > >> I really appreciate you for being the first person to direc

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-09 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
Hi Shai, I really appreciate you for being the first person to directly respond to this most critical issue in this debate. You are correct, this incident is quite central to my point and concern. However, I have again reviewed the group thread under discussion where the incident occurred and

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-09 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 5:43 AM, Audrey Roy Greenfeld wrote: > > > On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 3:07:57 PM UTC-7, Benjamin Scherrey wrote: >> >> >>I'm curious to know - exactly what are the goals that people expect >> from a speech and conduct code? Do

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-09 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
Kate, What you did there is a perfect example of how to enforce an affirmative inclusive conduct policy. My reply was not intended (and hopefully not perceived as such) to belittle him but rather to clarify the record of what my position was and the facts of my effort to support them. I will a

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-09 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
14 09:16, Benjamin Scherrey wrote: > >> >> So lets see... anyone who has done any of the following completely >> outside the context of the Django community or forums is now not welcome >> to participate: >> > > You mention a number of things you aren't allowed

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-09 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
James, I'm completely aware of the kind of situation you're describing in some technical communities. I also don't find any evidence of it whatsoever in ours, as I've pointed out repeatedly and have repeatedly asked for evidence of by those who think a speech and behavior code is justifiable.

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-09 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
s > that underlie this entire debate and uncomfortable with participating as a > non-native speaker, as the topic is too sensitive to allow for > approximative vocabulary. > > That said, may I suggest kindly that you cool down a bit and read what > others write? > > -- > Aym

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-09 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
onduct code on the entire universe without any context of having anything to do with Django. Nothing good can come of this. -- Ben On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:12 AM, Aymeric Augustin < aymeric.augus...@polytechnique.org> wrote: > On 9 sept. 2014, at 19:54, Benjamin Scherrey wrote: > >

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-09 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
Kevin, Again I believe your heart is in the right place but the presumption in your message is that there are people who need and deserve special protection above and beyond other members of the community. While, well intentioned, we all know how the road to hell got paved. A good policy is on

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-09 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
ommunity. If this is the case, and they already have total >>> control should they choose to exercise it, a Django ASBO won't give any >>> extra power over - and thus protection against - griefers/bullies/whatever. >>> >>> Just to hedge my bets, if the group d

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-08 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
Hi Kevin, And thanx for responding to my question about the need for such a policy with Django. Last night, as I had not yet had a response from anyone about this question I searched the archives of both django groups looking for any events or circumstances in which the code of conduct was invo

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-08 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
mative policy stating how people should conduct themselves and demonstrate good intentions without the need to codify "evil things"? I think it accomplishes what you want to do and, best of all, could actually work! -- Ben Scherrey On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Daniele Procida wrote:

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-08 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
7;re concerned about the application of the policy, > but it seems like you're (perhaps unintentionally) exaggerating the scope > and purpose of the policy to support your point. > > --Stephen > > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:16 AM, Benjamin Scherrey > wrote: > >&g

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-08 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
nd this) email and attempt to be responsive to it's content. thank you, -- Ben Scherrey On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 3:04 AM, Daniele Procida wrote: > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014, Benjamin Scherrey wrote: > > >Nothing you've written disagrees with what I said, nor do you address

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-07 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
niele Procida wrote: > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014, Benjamin Scherrey wrote: > > >Number 84 sounds fine. #86 is just looking for trouble. You were wise in > 84 > >to keep it positive and not enumerate a list of "banned" behaviour. To > have > >86 be anything be

Re: Two proposals for the Django Code of Conduct.

2014-09-07 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
Number 84 sounds fine. #86 is just looking for trouble. You were wise in 84 to keep it positive and not enumerate a list of "banned" behaviour. To have 86 be anything beyond providing a weapon to be used by anyone looking to be "victimized" in order to silence those whom they disagree with, you wou

Re: Improvement to objects.get_or_create and objects.update_or_create

2014-08-28 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
ut my proposal does indeed result in a very different semantic ultimately. Thanx for the feedback. Guess I'll keep wrapping it outside of the core code. -- Ben On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Tom Evans wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Benjamin Scherrey > wrote: > &g

Re: Improvement to objects.get_or_create and objects.update_or_create

2014-08-27 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
east postgres 9.4 and will use the jsonb data type > which does have an equality operator. > > > On 27 August 2014 21:04, Benjamin Scherrey wrote: > >> Apologies for the cross-post. I imagine this is actually where this >> proposal belongs. Would anyone be interested in gett

Fwd: Improvement to objects.get_or_create and objects.update_or_create

2014-08-27 Thread Benjamin Scherrey
-- From: Benjamin Scherrey Date: Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 4:58 PM Subject: Improvement to objects.get_or_create and objects.update_or_create To: django-users Just want to run an idea by the list for a feature improvement for the oft-used convenience functions get_or_create and update_or_create. I&#x