Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-26 Thread Andrew Godwin
My intention is indeed for us to run a new Technical Board election come the end of 4.2, with much better and more explicit communication about what will be expected of the new members, and a larger candidate pool to pull from to hopefully make that work. I will be posting my actual proposed DE

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-26 Thread James Bennett
On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 12:02 PM Andrew Godwin wrote: > At this point, it is my view that it is our job to govern with the people > we have, and the time and energy they can provide, and that's my intention > with these suggested changes. > If the problem in front of us is that the Technical Boa

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-26 Thread Andrew Godwin
I agree the Technical Board has not followed the letter of DEP 10, and I think the things you have highlighted are all valid failings, but I want to focus on - what should we do to remedy them? Given the lack of candidates we already have, if we ditch the current Board and try to elect a new on

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-26 Thread James Bennett
I'm going to avoid trying to get too much into point-by-point back-and-forth argument here, and try to present the larger picture. The Technical Board has multiple active responsibilities under DEP 10. Let's look at some of them: 1. Canvas for feature proposals once per feature release of Django.

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-25 Thread Eric Matthes
I want to offer a perspective from outside the Django community. > I also saw the relative lack of candidates for Board elections and essentially thought "better burnt-out me than literally nobody". I appreciate Andrew's honesty here. I have been a volunteer on our local mountain rescue team fo

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-25 Thread Andrew Godwin
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022, at 12:12 AM, James Bennett wrote: > > My first reaction to this is: if having a DEP that says the Technical Board > is supposed to take the lead in gathering feature proposals didn't get them > to do it, it doesn't feel like another DEP saying they're responsible for > t

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-25 Thread Carlton Gibson
*Loosening eligibility is fine, though I agree it's going to be very difficult to write down in an enforceable way -- the DEP 10 language and process was intended primarily to prevent trolls and other bad-faith actors from being able to run effectively for the Technical Board, and there's a balance

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-25 Thread Florian Apolloner
Hi James, On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 12:27:03 AM UTC+2 James Bennett wrote: > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 2:24 PM Andrew Godwin wrote: > >> Proposing features - this is already in DEP 10, so I more just want to >> get that aspect of the Board actually going (and, as a side-effect, have >> som

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-24 Thread James Bennett
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 6:33 PM Andrew Godwin wrote: > It has not. While I cannot speak for the other members of the Board, I got > burnt out in 2019, and then the pandemic began, and so it has not really > been something I've pushed for in the past three years (and I believe I was > one of the d

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-24 Thread Andrew Godwin
> Has that not been occurring? Because if it hasn't, then we have a major > problem, and I don't see how the current proposal would resolve it. It has not. While I cannot speak for the other members of the Board, I got burnt out in 2019, and then the pandemic began, and so it has not really been

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-24 Thread James Bennett
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 2:24 PM Andrew Godwin wrote: > Proposing features - this is already in DEP 10, so I more just want to get > that aspect of the Board actually going (and, as a side-effect, have > something to aid fundraising). I am talking with the current Board > separately on an internal

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-24 Thread Andrew Godwin
These are some great points, James - let me try to tackle them roughly in order. Proposing features - this is already in DEP 10, so I more just want to get that aspect of the Board actually going (and, as a side-effect, have something to aid fundraising). I am talking with the current Board sepa

Re: Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-24 Thread James Bennett
Something I note here is that it's presenting a solution, but not clearly (at least, from my reading) presenting the problem to be solved. Is it a lack of people proposing features? If so, I'm not sure this helps -- it would, to me, suggest that only members of the Technical Board/Steering Council

Changing the role of the Technical Board

2022-10-21 Thread Andrew Godwin
Hi everyone, I want to start a conversation about the Technical Board and its role in Django, and how I'd like to change it, including its name. Since its inception, the Technical Board has effectively only functioned as a backstop vote for large features that require DEPs, of which there have