Re: GSoC: Effortless Model Testing

2008-04-04 Thread Jason Ledbetter
> I'm not a Django dev and have nothing to do with GSOC but wanted to > make some comments on your proposal because I'm interested in it from > an end-user's perspective. At the risk of oversimplifying: when justifying a new feature in an existing code base, an end-user perspective is just as

Re: GSoC: Effortless Model Testing

2008-04-04 Thread Jason Ledbetter
> While I'm not a decision maker in the Django community, that's where > my concern would be: is this something you could finish in the time > period. That's my only real concern as well. That's how I knew my original proposal was all sorts of misleading and/or muddled: the fact that Malcolm

Re: GSoC: Effortless Model Testing

2008-04-04 Thread Eric Walstad
Hi Jason, I'm not a Django dev and have nothing to do with GSOC but wanted to make some comments on your proposal because I'm interested in it from an end-user's perspective. Jason Ledbetter wrote: >...But I could drop > the scripting idea and instead work off of a "batch options" object > and

Re: GSoC: Effortless Model Testing

2008-04-04 Thread Adam Findley
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Jason Ledbetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: lots of thoughts Ok so right off I have to admit I haven't read everything you've said, but as I have some experience working with database generation tools, I didn't feel the need to be converted to their goodness.

Re: GSoC: Effortless Model Testing

2008-04-03 Thread Jason Ledbetter
Sorry, one more thought. Told you I'm not scared of writing! Regarding hand-rolling these processes: yes, that's easy to do. But automatic data generation is part of the greater testing process that production code needs to undergo. And when you hand-roll testing processes on the fly, you have

Re: GSoC: Effortless Model Testing

2008-04-03 Thread Jason Ledbetter
> The main part of your application is something I'll think about some > more, but I'm not really sure what development effort is involved there. To address this particular point a little more: My original proposal was lean on details, which is entirely my fault. To be honest, I've never

Re: GSoC: Effortless Model Testing

2008-04-03 Thread Jason Ledbetter
Malcolm, Regarding model-level validation, apparently I'm bad at tracking down information. I tried on a couple of occasions to search for information on validation's progress and only found references to discussions that weren't recorded therein. My mistake. I'm glad that's already so far

Re: GSoC: Effortless Model Testing

2008-04-02 Thread Malcolm Tredinnick
On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 08:58 -0700, Jason Ledbetter wrote: > I'm looking for feedback on my SoC application which I call > "Effortless Model Testing". EMT would add sample instance generation, > fuzz testing, and (if still necessary) model-level validation to > Django. > > I have my ideas

GSoC: Effortless Model Testing

2008-04-01 Thread Jason Ledbetter
I'm looking for feedback on my SoC application which I call "Effortless Model Testing". EMT would add sample instance generation, fuzz testing, and (if still necessary) model-level validation to Django. I have my ideas explained in detail on my web page: http://sarcasticzombie.net Anyone