Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

Hi all, Ok - the technical board has discussed the matter, and settled on: Django Developers (Contributions to Django itself) as a new title for the group. The board rejected the idea of "Django X" (for any value of X) on the basis that asking someone to sign up to "Django X" by sending mai

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 5:39 AM, Wim Feijen wrote: > Hi Russell, > > Is this an issue we should solve? > > Because I believe technology can help here. For example, by posing a > question when a user is creating a ticket. Ask if it deals with security; > then present two clear buttons: "Report a s

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

Hi Wim, My apologies, this slipped through the cracks in my "returning from DjangoCon US/annual post DjangoCon sickness" window. I've just mailed this to the group for a decision. Yours, Russ Magee %-) On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 5:31 AM, Wim Feijen wrote: > Hi Russell, > > Did you manage to speak

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

Hi Russell, Is this an issue we should solve? Because I believe technology can help here. For example, by posing a question when a user is creating a ticket. Ask if it deals with security; then present two clear buttons: "Report a security issue" or "Report something else". (There might be be

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

Hi Russell, Did you manage to speak to the technical board about renaming the group? Wim On Tuesday, 9 September 2014 03:49:21 UTC+2, Russell Keith-Magee wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Carl Meyer > wrote: > >> On 09/08/2014 08:56 AM, Aymeric Augustin wrote: >> > 2014-09-08 16:21

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Thomas Leo wrote: > +1 for @Wim Feijen's rewording but... > > I think the wording of the Group description isn't the issue, my guess is > that people who make the mistake of asking django-user's questions in the > django-developers mailing list didn't read the des

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

Hi Daniel, An idea we spoke about earlier in this tread is to rename the group to Django Contributors, and the slug (and url) to remain django-developers in order to preserve links. Wim On Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:04:30 UTC+2, Daniel Pyrathon wrote: > > Hi, > > I think that changing the na

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

Hi, I think that changing the name the community on google will create many broken links, this will be a huge loss. What we can do instead, is create 2 domains (or subdomains) such as core-development.djangoproject.com and community.djangoproject.com that will serve as the official URLs to publici

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

I think it would also be a great improvement if we all adopted a standard response for these kind of mails - because no matter what we do, some will still end up here. Almost entirely based on Daniele's previous responses, how about we use: > The best place to get answers to your questions is t

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014, Thomas Leo wrote: >> and in most cases one has the impression that successfully finding a >place to >> ask a question and writing a message expressing their question about >Django >> development is an achievement in itself for them. > >This seems rather condescending to new

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

+1 for @Wim Feijen's rewording but... I think the wording of the Group description isn't the issue, my guess is that people who make the mistake of asking django-user's questions in the django-developers mailing list didn't read the description to begin with. > They are almost all from people who

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014, Robert Grant wrote: >Totally agree Daniele. I don't know how other people experience the group, >but I actually didn't see the email address, and didn't even look at the >URL. I'm not sure how much effect any of this will have. We get a few (I'd say about three or four) m

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

Hi, Good thing to change the group name. For the description, another wording could be: Discussion group for contributing to the Django source code and documentation. Here we discuss new features and updates of the Django project. Wim On Tuesday, 9 September 2014 10:52:09 UTC+2, Robert Gra

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

Totally agree Daniele. I don't know how other people experience the group, but I actually didn't see the email address, and didn't even look at the URL. If we can find where the email is exposed (say on a website) and change things to hide it as much as possible, e.g.: Instead of : Email the D

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014, Russell Keith-Magee wrote: >As a matter of formality, I'd like to put this through the technical board >so that it isn't just a fiat decision by the handful of people motivated to >participate in this discussion. By the way, there are three related pieces of information (in

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Carl Meyer wrote: > On 09/08/2014 08:56 AM, Aymeric Augustin wrote: > > 2014-09-08 16:21 GMT+02:00 Thomas Leo > >: > > > > +1 for django-contributors > > > > > > That would be "Django Contributors" since we're talking about changing >

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

+1 for Django Contributors. This also aligns with all the documentation on djangoproject.com where there is an entire section on 'Contribution'. We even have a "Contributor Licence Agreement'. Atul On 9 September 2014 01:24, Carl Meyer wrote: > On 09/08/2014 08:56 AM, Aymeric Augustin wrote:

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

On 09/08/2014 08:56 AM, Aymeric Augustin wrote: > 2014-09-08 16:21 GMT+02:00 Thomas Leo >: > > +1 for django-contributors > > > That would be "Django Contributors" since we're talking about changing > the display name of the group, not its email address. > > It's a

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

2014-09-08 16:21 GMT+02:00 Thomas Leo : > +1 for django-contributors > That would be "Django Contributors" since we're talking about changing the display name of the group, not its email address. It's a good proposal. -- Aymeric. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

+1 for django-contributors django-contributors is clearer than django developers. When companies are hiring web developers, they will often title the position "django developer". Usually these companies are not looking for people who "contribute" to the framework, but use the framework to deve

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

> > Changing the group display name wouldn't change any links. > > This is the main point, I think. In this thread, and the one linked to by Sam Lai, the main objection was link rot. Despite how strongly this was asserted, this isn't an objection, as renaming a group doesn't change any URLs.

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

> If we rename the group, all those links break Changing the group email would result in the group URL changing, so that's not an acceptable option. Changing the group display name wouldn't change any links. > At the end of the day, it's a name. It doesn't matter which name you pick - *someone

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

Russ, I think the suggestion was merely to change the display name of the group. I don't see any downsides to trying something like "Django developers (core development)". On Friday, September 5, 2014 1:45:58 PM UTC-4, Russell Keith-Magee wrote: > > > Hi Robert, > > Thanks for the suggestion. >

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

Hi Robert, Thanks for the suggestion. You're not the first to make the suggestion - the same suggestion has been made many times in the past. You can search the archives if you want to see those discussions. There are a number of problems with this proposal: 1) History. There are 10 years of ar

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

Wow, watching the second Matrix movie wasn't a waste of time as I finally can use it in an analogy: ...something about the same choice happening again and again! Anyway. I'm pretty sure that changing the name is extremely easy ; only changing th

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

FYI, this comes up again and again here, but the core devs have shot it down repeatedly. Here's one from last year - https://groups.google.com/d/msg/django-developers/yJYkZEGUzVk/u5xiIzg_TtMJ For the record though, I think renaming it to something less ambiguous is a good idea. On 5 September 201

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

Yeah I like that one. Or django-verlords. On Friday, 5 September 2014 13:36:23 UTC+2, Piotr Buliński wrote: > > +1 > My proposition: django-contributors > That’s pretty self-explanatory, confusion-avoiding name. > > Cheers, > Piotr > > On 05 Sep 2014, at 09:58, Robert Grant > > wrote: > >

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

+1 My proposition: django-contributors That’s pretty self-explanatory, confusion-avoiding name. Cheers, Piotr On 05 Sep 2014, at 09:58, Robert Grant wrote: > I am one of the happy few who read the line about what this group is for > before I started posting. > > However, that line, and the e

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

I agree, I was confused about it for a long time too. I think "Django core development" is very clear. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Tom Christie wrote: > Options?... > > * Django core > * Django core development > > For comparison the Rails folks have "Ruby on Rails: Talk >

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

Or Django contributors? On Friday, 5 September 2014 10:20:51 UTC+2, Tom Christie wrote: > > Options?... > > * Django core > * Django core development > > For comparison the Rails folks have "Ruby on Rails: Talk > " and "Ruby on > Rails: C

Re: The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

Options?... * Django core * Django core development For comparison the Rails folks have "Ruby on Rails: Talk " and "Ruby on Rails: Core " - Tom On Friday, 5 September 2014 08:5

The greatest proposal yet: rename this damn group

I am one of the happy few who read the line about what this group is for before I started posting. However, that line, and the endless supply of people who think this is for Django developers (see also: Java developers are generally considered to be people* who develop in Java, not who develop